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What is an overview of perspectives on whether the existence of the Christian God can be established solely through the use of reason and evidence?
Note: I'm interested in the Christian perspective on the question [*Can God's existence be established through reason and publicly accessible evidence?*](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/107660/66156) that I recently asked on Philosophy Stack Exchange. Feel free to read that question and the a...
Note: I'm interested in the Christian perspective on the question [*Can God's existence be established through reason and publicly accessible evidence?*](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/107660/66156) that I recently asked on Philosophy Stack Exchange. Feel free to read that question and the answers that people have posted for a broader context.
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I am curious to understand the perspectives within the Christian community regarding the use of reason and publicly available evidence to establish the existence of God in general, and the existence of the Christian God specifically. Are there prevailing viewpoints or consensus among Christians on this matter?
**What I already know**
I'm aware that at least some Christians frequently cite passages like [Romans 1:18-25](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1%3A18-25&version=NKJV) and [Psalm 19:1-3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+19%3A1-3&version=NKJV) as Biblical expressions of [teleological arguments](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleological-arguments/) for God's existence. This category of arguments has evolved in more contemporary discussions, adopting a renewed shape, notably through an emphasis on the intricate fine-tuning of the fundamental constants in the universe (see [fine-tuned universe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleological_argument#Fine-tuned_universe)) , and an emphasis on the extraordinary complexity and specified information found in living organisms (see [intelligent design movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design_movement)) .
I'm also aware of the existence of disciplines such as [natural theology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_theology) and [apologetics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologetics) , which in one way or another attempt to argue for the rationality of the belief in the existence of God and posit that there is sufficient evidence in the natural world to confidently conclude that God must exist.
**What I do not know**
One aspect that intrigues me, and about which I seek more clarity, pertains to the widespread acceptance or not among Christians of concepts such as natural theology, apologetics, intelligent design, and philosophical/scientific arguments for God's existence that hinge on reason and evidence. Do a majority of Christians align with these disciplines and share the perspective that the existence of God can be established solely through the use of reason and publicly available evidence, in a manner that any reasonable person should be able to study and verify?
If there are available statistics on this matter, I would greatly appreciate them, although it's not strictly required to answer this question. As a point of reference, in the realm of philosophy, there are statistics available such as the following:
#### God: theism or atheism?
|Option|2009|2020|Change|Swing|
|-|-:|-:|-:|-:|
Accept or lean towards: theism|14.61%|12.5%|-2.11|-1.76|
|Accept or lean towards: atheism|72.82%|74.23%|1.41|1.76|
|Accept a combination of views|2.47%|0.31%|-2.16|
|Accept an alternative view|0.86%|2.78%| 1.92|
|The question is too unclear to answer|1.72%|2.01%| 0.29|
|There is no fact of the matter|0.54%|0.31%|-0.23|
|Insufficiently familiar with the issue|0%|0.15%| 0.15| |
|Agnostic/undecided|5.48%|6.94%| 1.46| |
|Skipped|0.97%|0.31%| -0.66| |
|Other|0.54%|0.46%| -0.08| |
N (2020) = 648
N (2009) = 931
(Source: [2020 PhilPapers Survey](https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/longitudinal))
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**A case for consideration: Blaise Pascal**
Blaise Pascal serves as an illustration of a Christian who contends that the existence of God cannot be conclusively established through reason alone. While his perspective is just one instance, it raises the possibility that others may share a similar viewpoint.
> Pascal maintains that we are incapable of knowing whether God exists or not, yet we must “wager” one way or the other. Reason cannot settle which way we should incline, but a consideration of the relevant outcomes supposedly can. Here is the first key passage:
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>> “God is, or He is not.” But to which side shall we incline? **Reason can decide nothing here**. There is an infinite chaos which separated us. A game is being played at the extremity of this infinite distance where heads or tails will turn up… Which will you choose then? Let us see. Since you must choose, let us see which interests you least. You have two things to lose, the true and the good; and two things to stake, your reason and your will, your knowledge and your happiness; and your nature has two things to shun, error and misery. Your reason is no more shocked in choosing one rather than the other, since you must of necessity choose… But your happiness? Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is… If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.
>
> (Source: [Pascal's Wager - Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/))
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**Another view for consideration: Reformed Epistemology**
Reformed Epistemology is another viewpoint that exemplifies the rejection of evidence and intellectual arguments as necessary requirements for justifying belief in God.
> Reformed epistemology is a thesis about the rationality of religious belief. **A central claim made by the reformed epistemologist is that religious belief can be rational without any appeal to evidence or argument**. There are, broadly speaking, two ways that reformed epistemologists support this claim. The first is to argue that there is no way to successfully formulate the charge that religious belief is in some way epistemically defective if it is lacking support by evidence or argument. The second way is to offer a description of what it means for a belief to be rational, and to suggest ways that religious beliefs might in fact be meeting these requirements. This has led reformed epistemologists to explore topics such as when a belief-forming mechanism confers warrant, the rationality of engaging in belief forming practices, and when we have an epistemic duty to revise our beliefs. As such, reformed epistemology offers an alternative to evidentialism (the view that religious belief must be supported by evidence in order to be rational) and fideism (the view that religious belief is not rational, but that we have non-epistemic reasons for believing).
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> Reformed epistemology was first clearly articulated in a collection of papers called Faith and Rationality edited by Alvin Plantinga and Nicholas Wolterstorff in 1983. However, the view owes a debt to many other thinkers.
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> (Source: [Reformed Epistemology - Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy](https://iep.utm.edu/ref-epis))
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Understanding/explaining the wrath of God
When you read Numbers 25 and then view the middle east through that lens….. the actions of the middle east don’t feel as extreme. I definitely do not agree with the extremes of the middle east culture, but I am also shocked and dismayed at the extremes of what are written in Numbers 25. Yet God said...
When you read Numbers 25 and then view the middle east through that lens….. the actions of the middle east don’t feel as extreme. I definitely do not agree with the extremes of the middle east culture, but I am also shocked and dismayed at the extremes of what are written in Numbers 25. Yet God said….
> 4 ……. “Take all the leaders of the people and execute[b] them in broad daylight before the LORD so that his burning anger may turn away
> from Israel.”
>
> 7 …….Aaron the priest, saw this, he got up from the assembly, took a
> spear in his hand, 8 followed the Israelite man into the tent,[c] and
> drove it through both the Israelite man and the woman—through her
> belly.
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> 11 …….Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the Israelites
> because he was zealous among them with my zeal,[d] so that I did not
> destroy the Israelites in my zeal.*
>
> 17 “Attack the Midianites and strike them dead. 18 For they attacked
> you with the treachery that they used against you in the Peor
> incident.
How do I as a Christian, defend this to a nonbeliever (or someone who questions Christianity). “This” being the fact that the God I serve, directed this….condoned this….. and rewarded this.
matt
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Why would God give us the ability to sin if he doesn’t want us to?
When I ask this question I usually end up getting the response of: > “Well, that was just him giving us free will!” And then I ask why he would give us free will if he knew we would sin and would send us to Hell. Which gets the response of: > “Well, he didn’t want us to be robots! That would just be...
When I ask this question I usually end up getting the response of:
> “Well, that was just him giving us free will!”
And then I ask why he would give us free will if he knew we would sin and would send us to Hell.
Which gets the response of:
> “Well, he didn’t want us to be robots! That would just be awful.”
Then this goes on and on.
What I’m trying to ask is: why did God give us the ability to sin if he would get so mad at us that he would send us to Hell? Why did God make Satan if he knew he would tempt Adam and Eve? Honestly why even make Satan in the first place?
Doctor spider face
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How would Christians rebut James Fodor's argument against the Resurrection?
James Fodor released a new [video][1] on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ saying that the disciple hallucinated and the hallucinations were part of a shared social process that has been shown among faith and non-faith contexts, Jesus's body was reburied, the disciples were biased to believing His Re...
James Fodor released a new video on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ saying that the disciple hallucinated and the hallucinations were part of a shared social process that has been shown among faith and non-faith contexts, Jesus's body was reburied, the disciples were biased to believing His Resurrection and socialisation factors may explain the existence of belief despite counter evidence. From a Christian perspective how would you respond to his claims?
Nick the Greek
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Why Did God Create a World That Allows for Evil if He's Omnibenevolent and Omniscient?
I came across a blog post by a platonist in which he critiqued the traditional Christian understanding of God and evil given God's omnibenevolence and omniscience, saying: > Augustine's claim that evil is not a substance but a privation of good > was designed to absolve God of direct responsibility...
I came across a blog post by a platonist in which he critiqued the traditional Christian understanding of God and evil given God's omnibenevolence and omniscience, saying:
> Augustine's claim that evil is not a substance but a privation of good
> was designed to absolve God of direct responsibility for evil's
> existence. However, this position does not escape the more profound
> paradox that God created beings who could lapse into privation and did
> so with full foreknowledge of the consequences. The free will defense
> only complicates the issue: if God grants free will knowing it will be
> misused, the divine act of creation becomes entangled with the
> emergence of moral evil. Moreover, if the will can remain oriented
> toward the good only through divine grace, then free will itself seems
> limited or dependent in a way that undermines its explanatory value.
> The paradox intensifies when considering the role of Satan, whose
> rebellious agency destabilizes the coherence of monotheistic
> sovereignty. If Satan undermines God's purposes, divine omnipotence is
> weakened; if Satan acts only with God's permission, then divine
> benevolence is compromised. Either interpretation raises problems that
> the privation theory cannot reconcile. These tensions reveal a more
> profound structural paradox at the heart of Christian theodicy. In a
> cosmos created ex nihilo by an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God,
> nothing can exist independently of divine will or permission.
> Consequently, all conditions that make evil possible, creaturely
> freedom, vulnerability, corruptibility, and the existence of tempters
> are ultimately grounded in God's creative act. Christian theodicy thus
> attempts to balance divine goodness with divine sovereignty, but the
> metaphysical architecture of monotheism forces a contradiction: either
> God is powerful enough to prevent evil but chooses not to, or God
> wills a world in which evil inevitably emerges, making evil indirectly
> a by-product of divine creative intention. Augustine's partial
> incorporation of Neoplatonic ideas helps articulate evil as a
> metaphysical deficiency. Yet, even this philosophical refinement
> cannot compensate for a more fundamental issue: Christian theology's
> consolidation of causality in a single omnipotent agent ensures that
> God remains tied to every aspect of cosmic order and disorder alike.
> The result is a system in which the existence of evil perpetually
> threatens either the goodness or the sovereignty of the creator, and
> the tradition's attempts to resolve this tension never entirely
> eliminate its underlying contradictions.
>
> (Flavius Julianus Mithridaticus, *Evil as Shadow, Heroism as Form: An
> Indo-European View of Theodicy*, The New Platonic Academy)
To restate his critiques:
- God created people with the ability to be evil and knew of the consequences because of his foreknowledge. He created people knowing they would use their free will for evil which makes evil a by-product of his creation.
This seems to bring his omnibenevolence into question. If I created a simulation with the parameters allowing for characters in it to be evil then I'm responsible, at least partly, for evil existing in my simulation.
- If Satan can thwart God's purposes [such as his desire for everyone to have faith in Him and live according to His moral law (my comment)], then it calls his omnipotence into question. And if Satan only acts with God's permission, then God's benevolence is compromised.
If someone is stealing something or hurting someone and I allow it to happen when I have the ability to stop it, then I'm being evil. In Catholicism, being able to prevent or stop something evil and not doing it is the sin of omission. A more accurate allegory with regards to Satan's acts that are permitted by God: I'm standing in the way of an assailant and their victim and when the assailant asks if they can attack their victim, I nod and step aside, allowing the evil to take place. Maybe my allegory is off, but I'm having difficulty seeing his omnibenevolence given this. My allegory somewhat reminded me of the book of Job where Job, who is a holy man has his life and loved ones destroyed after God gives Satan permission and if I'm remembering correctly, God didn't give Job an explanation and instead told him about the world He created.
- In a world created by God as understood by Christians, nothing exists apart from God's will or permission. Either God is powerful enough to prevent evil, but chooses not to or God willed a world where evil would inevitably exist, making evil a by-product of his creation.
He presents a sound critique of the traditional Christian understanding of God and evil and it completely stumped me so if you have any thoughts, please share them because I don't know how to rebut him. Thank you in advance to anyone who tries to tackle this.
TheCupOfJoe
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How important is the discipline of textual criticism for Christian apologetics?
Does a Christian apologist aiming to uphold the accuracy and reliability of modern Bibles require a strong understanding of textual criticism? Put differently, when making a comprehensive argument supporting the truthfulness of various claims within the Bible—such as the Genesis creation story or th...
Does a Christian apologist aiming to uphold the accuracy and reliability of modern Bibles require a strong understanding of textual criticism? Put differently, when making a comprehensive argument supporting the truthfulness of various claims within the Bible—such as the Genesis creation story or the historical account of Jesus's resurrection in the Gospels and Acts—would the Christian apologist need to rely on arguments from textual criticism to substantiate the claim that the content in our contemporary Bibles is indeed accurate and reliable, despite thousands of years of transcription, translation, and potential manipulation since the writing of the original manuscripts?
If possible, I would appreciate answers referencing books that have been published at the intersection of Christian apologetics and textual criticism.
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*Food for thought for those who think apologetics is an irrelevant or unnecessary discipline*
These are some of my previous questions on this topic. Some of the answers are quite insightful and worth the read:
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/99924/61679
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/100436/61679
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/100928/61679
user61679
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What is the Biblical basis for Christians partaking in formal intellectual debates with atheists and skeptics?
Notable examples include: - [Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs. Christopher Hitchens - Full Debate [HD]](https://youtu.be/0tYm41hb48o) - [The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig](https://youtu.be/yqaHXKLRKzg) - [Does Math Point to God? William Lane Craig + Graham Oppy](https://youtu.be/8WE1y00bwCU)...
Notable examples include:
- [Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs. Christopher Hitchens - Full Debate [HD]](https://youtu.be/0tYm41hb48o)
- [The God Debate II: Harris vs. Craig](https://youtu.be/yqaHXKLRKzg)
- [Does Math Point to God? William Lane Craig + Graham Oppy](https://youtu.be/8WE1y00bwCU)
- [Is the Kalam Sound? Graham Oppy vs. Andrew Loke](https://youtu.be/a8NrTv-Durc)
- [Are There Any Good Arguments for God? Ed Feser vs Graham Oppy](https://youtu.be/m-80lQOlNOs)
- [William Lane Craig and Sean Carroll | "God and Cosmology" | 2014 Greer Heard Forum](https://youtu.be/X0qKZqPy9T8)
- [DEBATE: Theism vs Atheism | Jonathan McLatchie vs Alex O’Connor](https://youtu.be/rnIQFI1pYLM)
- [DEBATE Matt Dillahunty Vs Cliffe Knechtle | Is Christianity True? | Podcast](https://youtu.be/aAg3H1LU1Yw)
- [Is Belief in the Resurrection Unreasonable? Mike Winger vs. Matt Dillahunty](https://youtu.be/Z2FGgkubhZM)
- [Is belief in the Resurrection reasonable? Trent Horn Vs Matt Dillahunty Debate](https://youtu.be/7V6UNSvHVDM)
Given the well-established practice among (some) Christians of engaging in formal intellectual debates with atheists and skeptics to defend core tenets of the Christian faith, such as the existence of God and the resurrection of Jesus, through philosophical arguments, reason, and evidence (as the examples above illustrate), what is the biblical basis for this?
The New Testament enumerates various spiritual gifts and ministries (1 Corinthians 12:4-11, Ephesians 4:11-13, Romans 12:6-8), but I am unaware of any ministry fitting the role of a "professional intellectual debater."
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**Note**: there is some overlap with my previous question *https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/100436/61679* , although the focus here is on the debate aspect, and the scope is broader in terms of what can be defended (resurrection of Jesus, miracles, etc.)
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Can you prove that God is just for punishing Jesus without taking into account Jesus also being God?
If Jesus was merely a man, then God would seem unjust for punishing the innocent Jesus in place of the guilty due to violating the following: 1. Man is to be put to death for his own sin and not for the sin of another (Ez 18:20; Dt 24:16) 2. No man can ransom another or give to God the price of his...
If Jesus was merely a man, then God would seem unjust for punishing the innocent Jesus in place of the guilty due to violating the following:
1. Man is to be put to death for his own sin and not for the sin of another (Ez 18:20; Dt 24:16)
2. No man can ransom another or give to God the price of his life (Ps 49:7-9)
Moreover, God seems unjust for WANTING to crush the innocent man that is Jesus (Is 53:10; Lk 22:42), regardless of Jesus' willingness to follow the Father's will and lay His life down as a sacrifice. That God could desire and plan to punish/sacrifice an innocent man, His Son no less, for the sins of others would go against His character.
The only way I see God being just would be that Jesus is God. Thus, God's plan would not be the unjust sacrifice of an innocent third party but rather the just, noble sacrifice of the self. But if you can show that God is just in sacrificing Jesus even if Jesus isn't God, then please leave an answer down below.
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What is an apologetic response to Jewish skeptics who argue that God would not want them to break the Old Law without 100% certainty?
Many Jews claim that if God wanted them to stop observing the Old Law He would have made it more obvious that this was the case, in fact they assume that He would have to give them some kind of deductive knowledge that this was the case because otherwise they would allegedly be left in grave uncerta...
Many Jews claim that if God wanted them to stop observing the Old Law He would have made it more obvious that this was the case, in fact they assume that He would have to give them some kind of deductive knowledge that this was the case because otherwise they would allegedly be left in grave uncertainty as to how to obey God.
As you can see, they are not just being skeptics, for example, they might admit that the argument for the resurrection is pretty substantial, but they would refuse to accept it because it is merely inductive, saying maybe it would be a good reason to reject Deism but not Judaism. How do Christian apologists respond to this argument? For example, could they point out that arguably there is progressive revelation even within the Old Covenant?
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Advice on seculars "changing meanings" to allow for sin
This will be my first post on the Christianity Exchange. My question involves people who confront me on the basis that they were told by secular causes that certain Koine words like "arsenkoitoi", which historically has referred to a male-male coital relationship and also transliterates to "man-bedd...
This will be my first post on the Christianity Exchange.
My question involves people who confront me on the basis that they were told by secular causes that certain Koine words like "arsenkoitoi", which historically has referred to a male-male coital relationship and also transliterates to "man-bedder", are now being told that the original meaning is misunderstood to mean things like "pedophile" or "sodomy" but not to same-sex attraction.
I see the same attention to the Hebrew word "zakhur", which I've seen translated as "male", but others are trying to tie it to "boy", again to refer to Jewish teachings to prohibit only pedophilia and not homosexuality.
Based on the translations I've seen and examples of these words in other texts, the context suggests that the original translations indicate the case that same-sex relations are not allowed.
How do I better support the truth about this when people are tugging at doubt to allow for sin?
Jarrod Gibson
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What are the "gospels" in the Gospels?
As far as I know [there are 4 Gospels](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/18703/what-is-a-gospel-and-how-many-gospels-are-there-in-the-catholic-bible): Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. I am an ex-Christian (currently atheist) who had a debate with a Muslim about a few discrepancies betwe...
As far as I know [there are 4 Gospels](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/18703/what-is-a-gospel-and-how-many-gospels-are-there-in-the-catholic-bible) : Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
I am an ex-Christian (currently atheist) who had a debate with a Muslim about a few discrepancies between the Qur'an and the Bible. The Muslims believe that
1. Haman worked for Pharaoh and is building babel tower
2. Mary was a sibling of Aaron
3. Jesus is given "gospel".
As a non-Muslim and atheist, I of course think that Muhammad simply made a mistake. Perhaps he didn't get the story right or wasn't consistent with his sources. But of course Muslim apologists will claim that it's a misunderstanding anyway: different Haman, different meaning of sibling, and different gospel.
The 3rd point is more interesting though. My Muslim friend pointed out that gospels *already* EXISTED before the Bible was written:
- [Mark 1:14](https://biblehub.com/mark/1-14.htm)
- [Matthew 4:23](https://biblehub.com/matthew/4-23.htm)
- [Luke 8:1](https://biblehub.com/luke/8-1.htm)
So it's a bit tricky. In Indonesia the word for "gospel" is "injil". I wonder where that word came from. Muslims seem to think that Jesus got the "gospel" like Muhammad got the Qur'an. But I think that's just not the case. The Gospels we have now, I understand them to be Jesus' late biographies, a bit like Hadith in Islam.
However, the fact that the word "gospel" DOES show up in the Gospels themselves is intriguing. **What "gospel" was Jesus preaching because the Gospels as books weren't even written when he was living?**
It looks to me that he was a Rabbi who preached typical Judaism stuff that might or might not be reinterpreted by his followers to be something much more than that.
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Counterarguments to "KJV-only"?
Some people believe the King James Version of the Bible is the only version English-speakers should be using, as it is the only inspired translation. (This is referred to as "KJV-onlyism.") Basically, the KJV-only position is that: - The Bible is God's word - God promises to preserve His word * E.G....
Some people believe the King James Version of the Bible is the only version English-speakers should be using, as it is the only inspired translation. (This is referred to as "KJV-onlyism.")
Basically, the KJV-only position is that:
- The Bible is God's word
- God promises to preserve His word
* E.G., [Psalm 12:7 (read this article)](http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/does-the-second-them-in-psalm-127-refer-to-gods-words)
- This preservation is accomplished via a perfect translation (one per language)
- The KJV is His perfect, preserved translation in the English language
- The reason other English Bibles differ from the KJV is because those other Bibles have been tainted by sin and error
**What are the main counterarguments to this view?**
I am specifically looking for answers which would be convincing to an English-speaking Protestant with a high view of Scripture.
Jas 3.1
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What are Christian responses to Graham Oppy's argument for atheism from naturalism?
## Short version I'm specifically referring to [Graham Oppy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Oppy)'s paper [An Argument for Atheism from Naturalism](https://philarchive.org/rec/OPPAAF): > **Abstract** This paper outlines an argument for atheism from naturalism that I have developed in more deta...
## Short version
I'm specifically referring to [Graham Oppy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Oppy) 's paper [An Argument for Atheism from Naturalism](https://philarchive.org/rec/OPPAAF) :
> **Abstract** This paper outlines an argument for atheism from naturalism that I have developed in more detail elsewhere (in particular, in *The Best Argument against God*). The overall shape of the argument is as follows: first, naturalism is simpler than theism; second, there is no data that naturalism does not explain at least as well as theism; and, third, naturalism entails atheism; so we have good reason to prefer atheism to theism. Note that this statement of the shape of the argument is NOT a statement of the argument itself.
In short, Oppy argues that *naturalism is simpler than theism*, and that, all else being equal, we should always rationally prefer a simpler explanation of the data.
How do Christians rebut Graham Oppy's position?
## Longer version
A few relevant quotes from the [paper](https://philpapers.org/archive/OPPAAF.pdf) :
> Theists differ in the ways that they depart from naturalism. Some theists believe in a God who
created our universe ex nihilo. Some theists believe in a God whose actions preserve our universe in
existence. Some theists believe in a God who inhabits an eternal realm that has no spatiotemporal
relation to our universe. Some theists believe in an intelligent and active God who is neither a
natural organism nor an artificial intelligence created by natural organisms. Some theists believe in a
God that is a non-personal supernatural power or supernatural force that exerts influence on our
universe. Some theists believe that the universe possesses the non-natural property of being divine,
or that the non-natural property of being divine ‘permeates’ the universe. And so on.
>
> **Although theists differ in the ways in which they depart from naturalism, there is a common feature**
**to theistic departures from naturalism. In every case, theists differ from naturalists by believing in**
**something additional**: either believing in one or more additional intelligent agents, or believing in
one or more additional forces or powers, or believing in one or more additional non-natural
properties of the universe.
>
>
> Suppose that we are comparing a particular version of theism with a particular version of naturalism.
Suppose, further, that these versions of theism and naturalism agree in their beliefs about which
natural entities, and natural powers, and natural forces, and natural properties, and natural laws
there are. In this case, it’s not just that the theist has beliefs in something over and above the things
the atheist believes in; it’s also the case that the naturalist does not have beliefs in anything over
and above the things the theist believes in. **From the standpoint of the naturalist, the theistic beliefs**
**of the theist are pure addition; and, from the standpoint of the theist, the naturalistic beliefs of the**
**naturalist are pure subtraction**.
>
> **In this case, if all else is no better than equal, then there is clear reason to prefer naturalism to**
**theism. For, if all else is no better than equal, then there is no reason to have the additional theistic
beliefs**. Hence, in this case, in order to decide between theism and naturalism, we just need to
determine whether all else is no better than equal.
...
> **The burden of the rest of this chapter is to argue that there are no features of the natural universe**
**that have a better explanation on theism than they do on naturalism**. Of course, I won’t be able to
examine every feature of the natural universe that might be thought to have a better explanation on
theism than it does on naturalism. However, I shall try to examine all of the most prominent features
of the natural universe that have been widely supposed to have a better explanation on theism than
on naturalism. Given the treatment of the cases that I do discuss, it should be obvious how to extend
the discussion to features of the natural universe that I do not examine here.
He then goes on to explain how 8 features of the world commonly used to argue for theism can be better accounted for under naturalism. Namely:
- Existence
- Causation
- Fine-Tuning
- Morality
- Consciousness
- Miracles
- Religious Experiences
- Meaning and Purpose
> 9\. **Conclusion**
> As I mentioned at the outset, I cannot claim to have considered all of the data that bears on the
decision between theism and naturalism (and not can I claim to have given a fully adequate
assessment of any of the data that I have considered). However, I hope that I have done enough to
indicate how my argument for naturalism would look if it were set out in full and complete detail. (I
give a fuller—but still incomplete—exposition of the argument in The Best Argument against God,
Palgrave-Macmillan, 2013.)
>
> 10\. **Note about Evil**
> Of course, there is data that at least some theists suppose favours naturalism over theism—e.g. data
about horrendous suffering, data about non-belief, and data about the scale of our universe. Some
naturalists think that data about horrendous suffering is logically inconsistent with theism. As
Epicurus argued long ago:
>> Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not
willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he
neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
>
> Other naturalists think that data about horrendous suffering renders theism highly improbable:
given the major horrors of the twentieth century alone, isn’t it incredible to suppose that our
universe is the work of an omnipotent, omniscient and perfectly good being?
I have focussed on data that many theists suppose favour theism over naturalism because my
argument requires only that, on any piece of data, naturalism does at least as well as theism in
explaining that data. Even if it is true, for example, that naturalism affords a better explanation of
horrendous suffering in our universe than is given by theism, that truth makes no contribution to the
argument that I have been advancing here.
---
**NOTE**: Graham Oppy's formulation of the argument is arguably one of the strongest available in the literature, given Oppy's reputation as one of the most respected contemporary atheist philosophers. For instance, William Lane Craig once said about Oppy's book *Arguing about Gods*:
> Oppy's book is not merely recommended but essential reading for anyone interested in natural theology today. No one can pretend to a successful theistic argument unless he has dealt with Oppy's criticisms first. ([source](https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/scholarly-writings/the-existence-of-god/arguing-successfully-about-god-a-review-essay-of-graham-oppys-arguing-about))
However, the claim that naturalism is "simpler" than theism is thrown around quite frequently in informal discussions with atheists. For example, take a look at some of the answers to [Could Occam's Razor ever favor theism?](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/110026/66156) .
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Did Ambrose of Milan consider Mark 13:32 a textual corruption?
I came across this striking comment on Mark 13:32: > 192. It is written, they say: But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the > Father only. Mark 13:32 **First of all the ancient Greek manuscripts do > not contain the words, neither t...
I came across this striking comment on Mark 13:32:
> 192. It is written, they say: But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the
> Father only. Mark 13:32 **First of all the ancient Greek manuscripts do
> not contain the words, neither the Son.** But it is not to be wondered
> at if they who have corrupted the sacred Scriptures, have also
> falsified this passage. The reason for which it seems to have been
> inserted is perfectly plain, so long as it is applied to unfold such
> blasphemy.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/34045.htm
Ambrose seems to suggest that this verse was a later corruption or interpolation.
My question: How should one respond to such a claim in an apologetical setting? Does Ambrose’s statement reflect any known textual variant among the extant Greek manuscripts, or is he simply making a theological argument against Arian interpretation?
Williamson
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Does the Origin of Religious Beliefs from Evolution cast doubt on Christian belief?
Evolutionism [claims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology_of_religion) that religious beliefs result from their ability to give us a cooperative ability to survive. This, an Evolutionist would argue, would imply that religion comes into existence, not on any truth claim, but from e...
Evolutionism [claims](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology_of_religion) that religious beliefs result from their ability to give us a cooperative ability to survive. This, an Evolutionist would argue, would imply that religion comes into existence, not on any truth claim, but from evolution giving us useful, but otherwise untrue beliefs.
What is the proper response to this argument?
(Here is [another article](https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9780429488818-18/ritual-made-us-human-matt-rossano) on the subject.)
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Comparison of the original 1830 Book of Mormon vs the 1966 and later published copies of the Book of Mormon
In studying the 1830 publication alongside the 1966 publication, I've discovered a lot of changes in words and phrases. If a Book is purported to be inspired by God (such as the Bible) is it not logical to expect it to not need "improvements?" Does not the existence of these changes demonstrate that...
In studying the 1830 publication alongside the 1966 publication, I've discovered a lot of changes in words and phrases. If a Book is purported to be inspired by God (such as the Bible) is it not logical to expect it to not need "improvements?" Does not the existence of these changes demonstrate that indeed neither the original 1830 version nor the 1966 version are inspired or God breathed? And if one does believe that God can change his revelation to man, how then can we know and trust that it won't change again and again like shifting sand? Isn't God by nature immutable? And therefore shouldn't his word to us also be unchanging?
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How do proponents of the Fine Tuning argument for God, refute the puddle comparison?
The [fine tuning argument](https://www.discovery.org/a/91/) essentially states that there is so much about the universe that is "fine tuned" for life - eg things like the gravitational constant would cause the universe to disintegrate if they were off by 1 part in a million million - that there must...
The [fine tuning argument](https://www.discovery.org/a/91/) essentially states that there is so much about the universe that is "fine tuned" for life - eg things like the gravitational constant would cause the universe to disintegrate if they were off by 1 part in a million million - that there must be a creator who did the tuning.
The most common response from eg atheists is comparing the situation to water in a puddle remarking on how the hole in the ground is exactly the right shape to hold it. In other words, claiming that rather than the universe being fine tuned, it just fit the existing conditions out of necessity. Whenever this is mentioned in Christian forums, it is pooh-poohed and derided as though it is obviously wrong, but no-one ever seems to actually explain it.
What is the "obvious" refutation of the puddle analogy that everyone seems to know?
Isaac Middlemiss
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What is the biblical basis for rejecting Origen’s idea of cycles of creation, given that Scripture doesn’t reveal what God did in His eternal past?
Origen and some early Christian thinkers speculated that God may have created and destroyed worlds in cycles before the current creation described in Genesis 1. This idea, though speculative, raises the question: since Scripture does not detail what God did in His eternal past (before "In the beginn...
Origen and some early Christian thinkers speculated that God may have created and destroyed worlds in cycles before the current creation described in Genesis 1. This idea, though speculative, raises the question: since Scripture does not detail what God did in His eternal past (before "In the beginning"), on what biblical basis do Christian traditions reject such views?
Given that:
- God is eternal and existed before time,
- Genesis 1 focuses on the beginning of our world, not necessarily God's first act of creation,
- Ecclesiastes 3:11 says, "He has put eternity into man's heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end,"
How do Christians who reject Origen’s cyclical creation model ground that rejection **biblically**, rather than merely philosophically or theologically?
Are there specific Scriptures or doctrinal principles that limit God's act of creation to a single beginning as described in Genesis?
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Was Mary Magdalene chosen to be the first witness to the resurrection because the testimony of women is more credible than that of men?
I was listening to a preacher and he made this claim that a woman was the first witness to the risen Christ because traditionally our societies hold the testimony of women to be more credible than that of men. I thought Mary became the first witness because of co-incidence but he suggests otherwise,...
I was listening to a preacher and he made this claim that a woman was the first witness to the risen Christ because traditionally our societies hold the testimony of women to be more credible than that of men. I thought Mary became the first witness because of co-incidence but he suggests otherwise, is he correct that Mary Magdalene being the first witness to the risen Christ was part of God's plan because the testimony of women is more credible?
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Is William Lane Craig’s view still that atheists are at moral fault for not believing?
I recently took the time to re-read the prelusive words of William Lane Craig’s Reasonable Faith . This quote stuck with me: When a person refuses to come to Christ, it is never just because of lack of evidence or because of intellectual difficulties: at root, he refuses to come because he willingly...
I recently took the time to re-read the prelusive words of William Lane Craig’s Reasonable Faith. This quote stuck with me:
When a person refuses to come to Christ, it is never just because of lack of evidence or because of intellectual difficulties: at root, he refuses to come because he willingly ignores and rejects the drawing of God’s Spirit on his heart. No one in the final analysis really fails to become a Christian because of lack of arguments; he fails to become a Christian because he loves darkness rather than light and wants nothing to do with God.A decade after first reading this, I remember I was struggling to understand who he intends the book to be for, and Craig's motivations. If we are not to assume that Craig is not serious or that he is lying about his sincerity, it could be that he is sincere but wrong: in the sense that he genuinely cannot make sense of atheism as an intellectual position. But then it seems to me that he is so caught up in his own religious convictions he cannot fathom the possibility someone could sincerely disagree with his position. An unfortunate position, in my view. The disagreement is also shifted from the intellectual realm of evidence to the moral realm of personal integrity, effectively *faulting the non-believer* for an emotional or spiritual deficiency. It appeals to notions of spiritual deficiency rather than engaging directly with intellectual critiques. The quote makes apologetics seem like its whole purpose is to convince those who already are convinced. I also think this type of argumentation renders the argument difficult to empirically verify or falsify. If non-belief is attributed to an internal disposition (such as a preference for "darkness" over "light"), it becomes impossible to test or refute through evidence. Thus I am curious if Craig has revised these position in recent times, if he has matured as he has gotten older. Questions: 1. Has Craig changed his view or added nuance to his stance? Does he still attribute unbelief primarily to the willful rejection of God rather than to intellectual or evidential challenges? 2. Is evidence still something that, for him, acts only insofar as a dual warrant of one’s Christian beliefs alongside the inner witness of the Spirit? 3. Has he acknowledged intellectual or evidential factors as genuine obstacles to faith? 4. What role does he currently assign to evidence and objective methods in relation to the work of the Holy Spirit?
Markus Klyver
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