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If works do not contribute to salvation, how should Christians understand Jesus’ statement about “those who have done good”?
Many Christian traditions emphasize that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works (e.g., Ephesians 2:8–9). However, in John 5:28–29, Jesus says: >“...all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done e...
Many Christian traditions emphasize that salvation is by grace through faith and not by works (e.g., Ephesians 2:8–9). However, in John 5:28–29, Jesus says: >“...all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.” This seems to associate final outcomes (life vs. judgment) with what people have done, rather than solely with faith. How do Christians who hold that works do not contribute to salvation interpret this passage? I’m particularly interested in how this verse is reconciled with doctrines like *sola fide*.
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Apr 15, 2026, 08:26 AM • Last activity: Apr 16, 2026, 04:51 PM
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How do Bible Unitarians interpret “the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit” (1 Corinthians 15:45) without affirming Christ’s divinity?
In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul writes: >“The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (ESV) In context, Paul is contrasting Adam and Christ, particularly in relation to life and resurrection. The phrase “life-giving Spirit” seems to attribute to Jesus a role th...
In 1 Corinthians 15:45, Paul writes: >“The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” (ESV) In context, Paul is contrasting Adam and Christ, particularly in relation to life and resurrection. The phrase “life-giving Spirit” seems to attribute to Jesus a role that, elsewhere in Scripture, is closely associated with God (i.e., giving life; cf. Genesis 2:7, John 5:21). From a Bible Unitarian perspective, Jesus is understood as a fully human Messiah and not ontologically divine. - How is the ability to give life explained without attributing divinity to Christ? - How is this reconciled with other passages where giving life appears to be a uniquely divine prerogative?
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Apr 14, 2026, 04:59 PM • Last activity: Apr 15, 2026, 07:06 PM
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What does “appoint elders” mean in the New Testament?
I’m seeking some theological and exegetical insight regarding the use of the word “appoint” in the New Testament passages about the establishment of elders (e.g. Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5). In many English translations, appoint can sound like a top-down decision made by a few leaders. However, the Greek...
I’m seeking some theological and exegetical insight regarding the use of the word “appoint” in the New Testament passages about the establishment of elders (e.g. Acts 14:23; Titus 1:5). In many English translations, appoint can sound like a top-down decision made by a few leaders. However, the Greek terms involved (such as χειροτονέω and καθίστημι) seem to carry a broader sense related to recognition, commissioning, or placing someone into a role, often within a communal or ecclesial context. My question is this: Does the New Testament use of “appoint elders” necessarily imply a unilateral decision by church leaders, or does it presuppose some form of communal discernment, recognition, or confirmation by the local church? I would appreciate perspectives from biblical studies, church history, or different ecclesiological traditions.
han zhang (91 rep)
Feb 2, 2026, 05:56 AM • Last activity: Apr 13, 2026, 10:08 AM
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How does Catholic Church explain the reference to Christ at 1 Cor. 10?
We read in 1 Corinthians 10:1-5, 9 (NRSVCE): >I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same...
We read in 1 Corinthians 10:1-5, 9 (NRSVCE): >I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food, and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them, and they were struck down in the wilderness... We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did, and were destroyed by serpents. If one puts oneself, by imagination, at the time of the Exodus, one would hear of Yahweh and not Jesus Christ. As such, Paul's way of interpolating the redemptive role of Christ to the time of Exodus, calls for elucidation. My question therefore is: How does the Catholic Church explain the reference made by St Paul to Christ while discussing the irresponsible behavior of the ancestors during Exodus?
Kadalikatt Joseph Sibichan (13820 rep)
Oct 8, 2020, 07:44 AM • Last activity: Apr 9, 2026, 12:11 PM
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Will the final reward/punishment be the same for all members of their respective side?
For a while, I have had thoughts on areas of scripture that suggest different degrees of punishments and rewards for different kinds of people both for and against Christ. Starting with Christians, we see Jesus making a statement in [Mathew 5:19][1] where he says: > 19 Therefore anyone who sets asid...
For a while, I have had thoughts on areas of scripture that suggest different degrees of punishments and rewards for different kinds of people both for and against Christ. Starting with Christians, we see Jesus making a statement in Mathew 5:19 where he says: > 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Note how Jesus doesn't say they won't be saved but rather, they will be of a lower status in heaven than those who actively put their faith to action. Paul repeatedly echoes this point in multiple places such as: (2 Corinthians 5:10 ) > 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may **receive what is due us for the things done** while in the body, whether good or bad. (1 Corinthians 3:11-15 ) > 11 **For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ**. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 **their work will be shown for what it is**, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and **the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.** 14 **If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward**. 15 **If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved**—even though only as one escaping through the flames. Paul here also implies that all those who are in Christ will be saved because he is a strong foundation even if the work they build in that foundation is poor. However they will be at a loss when it comes to receiving whatever inheritance (possibly other than eternal life which will be given to all Christians) God has prepared for us. The same also goes for the other side where Jesus mentions the punishment given to the pharisees and those towns that reject his disciples being worse than the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah on judgment day.(Matthew 10:15, Matthew 11:24, Luke 10:12 ) or his parable in Luke 12:47-48 : > 47 “**The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. 48 But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows**. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked. Considering all these (and more), is it safe to assume (and why) that there will be varying levels of punishment and reward within both hell and heaven respectively? If not, kindly explain how and why these verses do not support that idea. Appreciated.
Baizem (119 rep)
Jan 15, 2026, 06:39 PM • Last activity: Apr 3, 2026, 01:16 PM
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Why did God describe the light as being good, but not the darkness?
In the account of creation in Genesis 1, it seems that God describes many of the things He creates as being "good". Verse 2 indicates that prior to there being light, there was "darkness over the face of the deep". God's first created act, aside perhaps from the heavens and the earth themselves, is...
In the account of creation in Genesis 1, it seems that God describes many of the things He creates as being "good". Verse 2 indicates that prior to there being light, there was "darkness over the face of the deep". God's first created act, aside perhaps from the heavens and the earth themselves, is light. He specifically calls the light "good", but not the darkness. So, was the darkness "not good", or did God simply not explicitly declare it as such? > 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. > > 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that *the light* was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. *(Genesis 1:1-5, ESV)*
Narnian (64786 rep)
Jun 10, 2013, 07:06 PM • Last activity: Apr 1, 2026, 01:03 AM
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What was Jesus's relationship with God ("the father") before Jesus became a "begotten son"?
Psalm 2:7 says: “I will declare the decree:The Lord has said to Me,‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"... See also Hebrews 1:5; 5:5 (and compare with Mark 1:9-11). Psalms 2:7 (ignoring those that say it talks about David); and Hebrews 5:5 - clearly speak in terms of "TODAY" I have begotten t...
Psalm 2:7 says: “I will declare the decree:The Lord has said to Me,‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"... See also Hebrews 1:5; 5:5 (and compare with Mark 1:9-11). Psalms 2:7 (ignoring those that say it talks about David); and Hebrews 5:5 - clearly speak in terms of "TODAY" I have begotten thee". (emphasis on "today"). What was the relationship of Jesus to God "the father" before the day Jesus became a begotten son of God? NOTE: I have taken care to read the posts that speak about Jesus as a son of God. They don't ask the same question as to what he was before. Edit: Question is addressed to those who believe that Jesus is "the word" spoken of in John 1:1; those who accept him to be the "only begotten son" or the second person in the Trinity. I am not sure whether only Trinitarians subscribe to these ideas. My understanding of "mainstream" Trinitarian Christianity is that God has always been "the father", "the son ("word")", and "the Holy spirit". When one reads Hebrews 5:5: "Today I have begotten you", it signifies a change in relationship. Does it mean that before "THAT day", divine Jesus or "the Word" was something else to God but not a son? That is the relationship I am inquiring about.
user68393
Aug 14, 2024, 06:09 AM • Last activity: Mar 31, 2026, 12:51 AM
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What is the origin for the concept of an 'infinite atonement'? (Bible prefered)
From the [Cannons of Dort](https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/canons-dort) 2nd Point of Doctrine, Article III > This death of God’s Son is the only and entirely complete sacrifice and satisfaction for sins; it is of infinite value and worth, more than sufficient to atone for the sins...
From the [Cannons of Dort](https://www.crcna.org/welcome/beliefs/confessions/canons-dort) 2nd Point of Doctrine, Article III > This death of God’s Son is the only and entirely complete sacrifice and satisfaction for sins; it is of infinite value and worth, more than sufficient to atone for the sins of the whole world. This is from a Calvinist perspective, but I assume that most Christians hold that Christ's atonement for man is infinite and unlimited in time and in power. My question is about where this belief was sourced from. Is it somewhere I don't know about in the Bible or from early Christian creeds/councils? So what do Calvinists point to as the origin of the belief of an infinite atonement?
calebo (49 rep)
Mar 24, 2026, 03:14 AM • Last activity: Mar 30, 2026, 12:56 PM
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How is the “I” in “the Father is greater than I” understood as referring to Jesus’ human nature while the other I in John 8:58 to his divine nature?
In Gospel of John 14:28, Jesus says, “the Father is greater than I,” which is often used in arguments about the relationship between the Father and the Son. Some interpret the “I” here as referring specifically to Jesus’ human nature (e.g., in an incarnational or functional sense), rather than His d...
In Gospel of John 14:28, Jesus says, “the Father is greater than I,” which is often used in arguments about the relationship between the Father and the Son. Some interpret the “I” here as referring specifically to Jesus’ human nature (e.g., in an incarnational or functional sense), rather than His divine nature. However, in the same Gospel, Jesus also says in John 8:58, “before Abraham was, I am,” where the “I” appears to refer to His divine identity. My question is: On what basis do interpreters distinguish the “I” in John 14:28 as referring to Jesus’ human nature, while the “I” in John 8:58 refers to His divine nature?
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 29, 2026, 04:28 PM • Last activity: Mar 30, 2026, 03:13 AM
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How do proponents of annihilationism interpret “weeping and gnashing of teeth”?
In several passages, Jesus describes judgment using the phrase “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (e.g., Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:30). At the same time, some Christian traditions—particularly those that hold to annihilationism or conditional immortality—understand the “lake of fire” as resulting in th...
In several passages, Jesus describes judgment using the phrase “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (e.g., Matthew 13:42, Matthew 25:30). At the same time, some Christian traditions—particularly those that hold to annihilationism or conditional immortality—understand the “lake of fire” as resulting in the eventual destruction of the wicked rather than ongoing conscious torment. My question is: How do proponents of annihilationism reconcile their view with Jesus’ description of “weeping and gnashing of teeth”? Specifically: - Do they interpret this phrase as referring to a temporary conscious experience before destruction? - Or is it understood metaphorically (e.g., representing regret, judgment, or exclusion rather than ongoing conscious suffering)? I am looking for answers that explain how this phrase is interpreted within annihilationist theology, ideally with references to biblical or theological sources.
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 19, 2026, 08:43 AM • Last activity: Mar 27, 2026, 10:58 PM
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How do proponents of “once saved, always saved” interpret passages that condition salvation on perseverance?
In Matthew 24:13, Jesus says: >“But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” This appears to place a condition on salvation—namely, perseverance. It seems to imply that failing to endure could result in not being saved. Additionally, in Galatians 3:3, Paul rebukes believers: >“Are you so fooli...
In Matthew 24:13, Jesus says: >“But the one who endures to the end will be saved.” This appears to place a condition on salvation—namely, perseverance. It seems to imply that failing to endure could result in not being saved. Additionally, in Galatians 3:3, Paul rebukes believers: >“Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?” This raises concerns about those who begin in faith but do not continue rightly. Other passages such as Hebrews 3:14 (“we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end”) also seem to connect salvation with continued faithfulness. **Question:** How do proponents of the doctrine that salvation cannot be lost (e.g., “once saved, always saved”) reconcile these passages with their view? Specifically, how are conditional statements about enduring to the end understood within that framework?
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 21, 2026, 09:22 AM • Last activity: Mar 27, 2026, 10:56 AM
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On what exegetical grounds is 1 Corinthians 8:6 interpreted as an “expansion” of the Shema?
In a recent [debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Justin Smith][1], Dr. James White argues for a Trinitarian interpretation of 1 Corinthians 8:6, claiming that Paul deliberately echoes the Shema (“Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one” – Deut 6:4) and “expands” it. According to this argument,...
In a recent debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Justin Smith , Dr. James White argues for a Trinitarian interpretation of 1 Corinthians 8:6, claiming that Paul deliberately echoes the Shema (“Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one” – Deut 6:4) and “expands” it. According to this argument, Paul: - Retains the Shema’s monotheistic framework - Identifies “one God” with the Father - Identifies “one Lord (κύριος)” with Jesus Christ - Uses the same κύριος / θεός vocabulary found in the Septuagint rendering of Deut 6:4 This is taken to imply that Paul includes Jesus within the unique divine identity of YHWH, without abandoning Jewish monotheism. **My question is directed to Christians who affirm the doctrine of the Trinity:** **Apart from later creeds or patristic theology, what exegetical and hermeneutical arguments support reading 1 Corinthians 8:6 as a deliberate reworking or “expansion” of the Shema?** More specifically: - Does the immediate literary context of 1 Corinthians 8 support this reading? - What linguistic or intertextual indicators suggest Paul is intentionally alluding to Deuteronomy 6:4? - How should the distinction between “one God, the Father” and “one Lord, Jesus Christ” be understood without collapsing them into modalism or separating them into two gods? Would you agree with Dr. White’s interpretation? If so, on what biblical and contextual grounds, rather than post‑biblical theological developments? If not, what other interpretations of 1 Corinthians 8:6 exist that are in support of the trinity doctrine, and on what biblical and contextual grounds, rather than post‑biblical theological developments?
Js Witness (2957 rep)
Feb 24, 2026, 11:47 AM • Last activity: Mar 25, 2026, 05:46 PM
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Do Preterists believe that the prophecies in the Book of Revelation were fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70?
In preterist interpretations, many of Jesus’ prophecies—especially those concerning the destruction of Jerusalem (e.g., in the Olivet Discourse)—are understood to have been fulfilled in AD 70. However, I am curious about how preterists treat the prophecies found in the Book of Revelation, traditiona...
In preterist interpretations, many of Jesus’ prophecies—especially those concerning the destruction of Jerusalem (e.g., in the Olivet Discourse)—are understood to have been fulfilled in AD 70. However, I am curious about how preterists treat the prophecies found in the Book of Revelation, traditionally attributed to John. One point of tension I am trying to understand is this: when Jesus spoke about “all things that are written” being fulfilled (e.g., Luke 21:22), the Book of Revelation had not yet been given to John and therefore had not yet been written. This seems to raise the question of whether Jesus’ statement can be applied to Revelation at all, since it was, at that time, still unwritten. Given that, do preterists (especially full preterists) include the prophecies of Revelation among the things fulfilled in AD 70? Or do they distinguish between what was already written at the time of Jesus’ statement and later revelations given to John? Additionally: - Is this one of the reasons partial preterists typically do not see Revelation as fully fulfilled in AD 70? - How do full preterists respond to the argument that Jesus referred only to what had already been written, not to future writings like Revelation? I am looking for answers grounded in specific preterist interpretations, along with scriptural and/or historical reasoning.
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 25, 2026, 04:30 PM
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Who was the first person to relate "left behind" (Mat 24:40-41) with the rapture?
Millions of dollars have been made off the **Left Behind** books and movies. I would like to ask who was the first person to associate Matthew 24:40-41 with the rapture?
Millions of dollars have been made off the **Left Behind** books and movies. I would like to ask who was the first person to associate Matthew 24:40-41 with the rapture?
Alan Fuller (1071 rep)
Feb 22, 2026, 03:34 PM • Last activity: Mar 24, 2026, 07:22 PM
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Does "faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see" imply that faith must be total confidence and not just trust?
For context, Heb 11:1-5 (NIV): > "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By fait...
For context, Heb 11:1-5 (NIV): > "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible. By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead. ... https://www.bible.com/bible/2692/HEB.11.NASB2020 https://www.bible.com/bible/2692/HEB.10.NASB2020
user140880
Dec 10, 2025, 12:29 AM • Last activity: Mar 24, 2026, 06:20 PM
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Which Christian denominations interpret the woman in Revelation 12 as the nation of Israel and the dragon’s flood as Jewish persecution in history?
In Revelation 12:1–2, a woman is described as being “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head.” Some interpretations identify this woman symbolically as the nation of Israel (e.g., relating the twelve stars to the twelve tribes). Which Christian den...
In Revelation 12:1–2, a woman is described as being “clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and a crown of twelve stars on her head.” Some interpretations identify this woman symbolically as the nation of Israel (e.g., relating the twelve stars to the twelve tribes). Which Christian denominations or theological traditions explicitly interpret the woman as representing the nation of Israel and the dragon’s flood (Revelation 12:15) as a form of Jewish persecution throughout history? Additionally, how do these groups justify this interpretation from the text?
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 23, 2026, 12:52 PM
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How do dispensationalists reconcile their view with these passages that appear to teach a single, unified gospel?
Dispensationalism is often understood to distinguish between God’s plan for Israel and for the Church, and some formulations suggest differences in how the gospel is administered or understood across dispensations. However, several biblical passages seem to emphasize a single, unified gospel message...
Dispensationalism is often understood to distinguish between God’s plan for Israel and for the Church, and some formulations suggest differences in how the gospel is administered or understood across dispensations. However, several biblical passages seem to emphasize a single, unified gospel message and consistent basis for salvation: - Galatians 1:8–9 — Paul warns against “another gospel,” strongly affirming that there is only one true gospel. - Ephesians 4:4–6 — speaks of “one body… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” - Acts 10:43 — Peter declares that “everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.” - Romans 3:22–30 — emphasizes justification by faith for both Jews and Gentiles, with God being “one.” - John 3:16 — presents belief in Christ as the basis for eternal life universally. Given these passages, how do dispensationalists interpret texts that emphasize a single gospel and unified means of salvation? Do they understand these verses as applying universally across all dispensations, or do they interpret them within a specific dispensational context?
So Few Against So Many (6219 rep)
Mar 22, 2026, 07:38 PM • Last activity: Mar 23, 2026, 12:04 PM
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Which denomination or Church interprets Wisdom in Proverbs 8:22 as a "created Spirit"?
Looking at the different translations of Proverbs 8:22, it describes the "Artisan or Wisdom" as separate from God in Proverbs 8:30: >**Douay-Rheims Bible** I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; >**New American Standard Bible** Then I was bes...
Looking at the different translations of Proverbs 8:22, it describes the "Artisan or Wisdom" as separate from God in Proverbs 8:30: >**Douay-Rheims Bible** I was with him forming all things: and was delighted every day, playing before him at all times; >**New American Standard Bible** Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was His delight daily, Rejoicing always before Him, >**Catholic Public Domain Version** I was with him in composing all things. And I was delighted, throughout every day, by playing in his sight at all times, >**New American Bible** then was I beside him as artisan; I was his delight day by day, playing before him all the while, From the different Bible translations, it clearly describes the "artisan or Wisdom" is a separate spirit being, beside God. **Which denomination or Church interprets Wisdom in Proverbs 8:22 as a "created Spirit"?**
jong ricafort (1024 rep)
Feb 16, 2026, 09:55 AM • Last activity: Mar 18, 2026, 08:08 PM
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How do Calvinists interpret 1 John 2:2 in light of Limited Atonement?
1 John 2:2 (ESV) > He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Understanding the "ours" as referring to the universal church of believers, it would seem that John is saying that Christ "propitiated" for everyone's sins. Calvinism, through the...
1 John 2:2 (ESV) > He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. Understanding the "ours" as referring to the universal church of believers, it would seem that John is saying that Christ "propitiated" for everyone's sins. Calvinism, through the doctrine of limited, or definite, or particular, atonement, says that Christ died only for the elect. How would a five-point Calvinist understand this passage?
Joshua (2154 rep)
Mar 13, 2016, 02:39 PM • Last activity: Mar 18, 2026, 12:52 AM
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According to soul sleep adherents, what's wrong with an "Occam's razor" interpretation of 1 Samuel 28 (Saul and the Medium of En-dor)?
By an [Occam's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) interpretation of 1 Samuel 28, I mean an interpretation that is as straightforward as possible, which doesn't require making unnecessary assumptions or special pleadings in the way the passage is interpreted. For example, if the au...
By an [Occam's razor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) interpretation of 1 Samuel 28, I mean an interpretation that is as straightforward as possible, which doesn't require making unnecessary assumptions or special pleadings in the way the passage is interpreted. For example, if the author says literally and plainly that "X happened", well, the straightforward interpretation is that X happened and that's it. Applying this to 1 Samuel 28 ESV (pay attention to the bold text): > In those days the Philistines gathered their forces for war, to fight against Israel. And Achish said to David, “Understand that you and your men are to go out with me in the army.” 2 David said to Achish, “Very well, you shall know what your servant can do.” And Achish said to David, “Very well, I will make you my bodyguard for life.” > > 3 **Now Samuel had died**, and all Israel had mourned for him and buried him in Ramah, his own city. And Saul had put the mediums and the necromancers out of the land. 4 The Philistines assembled and came and encamped at Shunem. And Saul gathered all Israel, and they encamped at Gilboa. 5 When Saul saw the army of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart trembled greatly. 6 And when Saul inquired of the Lord, the Lord did not answer him, either by dreams, or by Urim, or by prophets. 7 Then Saul said to his servants, “Seek out for me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her.” And his servants said to him, “Behold, there is a medium at En-dor.” > > 8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other garments and went, he and two men with him. And they came to the woman by night. And he said, “Divine for me by a spirit and bring up for me whomever I shall name to you.” 9 The woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the necromancers from the land. Why then are you laying a trap for my life to bring about my death?” 10 But Saul swore to her by the Lord, “As the Lord lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing.” 11 Then the woman said, “Whom shall I bring up for you?” **He said, “Bring up Samuel for me.”** 12 **When the woman saw Samuel**, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul.” 13 The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god coming up out of the earth.” 14 He said to her, “What is his appearance?” And she said, “An old man is coming up, and he is wrapped in a robe.” **And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed with his face to the ground and paid homage**. > > 15 **Then Samuel said to Saul**, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?” Saul answered, “I am in great distress, for the Philistines are warring against me, and God has turned away from me and answers me no more, either by prophets or by dreams. Therefore I have summoned you to tell me what I shall do.” 16 **And Samuel said**, “Why then do you ask me, since the Lord has turned from you and become your enemy? 17 The Lord has done to you as he spoke by me, for the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David. 18 Because you did not obey the voice of the Lord and did not carry out his fierce wrath against Amalek, therefore the Lord has done this thing to you this day. 19 Moreover, the Lord will give Israel also with you into the hand of the Philistines, and tomorrow you and your sons shall be with me. The Lord will give the army of Israel also into the hand of the Philistines.” > > 20 Then Saul fell at once full length on the ground, filled with fear because of **the words of Samuel**. And there was no strength in him, for he had eaten nothing all day and all night. 21 And the woman came to Saul, and when she saw that he was terrified, she said to him, “Behold, your servant has obeyed you. I have taken my life in my hand and have listened to what you have said to me. 22 Now therefore, you also obey your servant. Let me set a morsel of bread before you; and eat, that you may have strength when you go on your way.” 23 He refused and said, “I will not eat.” But his servants, together with the woman, urged him, and he listened to their words. So he arose from the earth and sat on the bed. 24 Now the woman had a fattened calf in the house, and she quickly killed it, and she took flour and kneaded it and baked unleavened bread of it, 25 and she put it before Saul and his servants, and they ate. Then they rose and went away that night. Assuming that 1 Samuel 28 is inspired text and that the author is telling us about events as they actually happened, a straightforward interpretation of the passage reveals the following facts: - Samuel was already dead (v3) - Saul asked the medium to invoke Samuel (v11) - The medium saw Samuel (v12) - Saul was convinced that it was Samuel (v14) - Samuel spoke to Saul (v15, v16) - The words that were spoken were from Samuel (v20) As we can see, the author is telling us, literally and plainly, that Samuel spoke to Saul. An Occam's razor interpretation of this passage should therefore lead us to conclude that, if the author is telling us that Samuel spoke to Saul (even though he was already dead), then, well, Samuel spoke to Saul. As simple as that. That's literally, unambiguously stated in the text. And keep in mind that this is not a Parable or other kind of passage full of symbolic language that would warrant having second thoughts on the meaning of words. ### Question According to 'soul sleep' adherents, what's wrong with this straightforward approach to 1 Samuel chapter 28? If the author is telling us that "X happened", what's wrong with concluding that "X happened"? If this "Occam's razor" interpretation of 1 Samuel 28 is not justified, are there any other examples of non-parabolic, non-symbolic passages in which a similar straightforward interpretation is not justified? Is there a hermeneutical principle that justifies not always being straightforward in our interpretation of a non-symbolic, non-parabolic passage?
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