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Can the Church institute a marital age disparity limit impediment?
The Church has the authority over marriage ([Council of Trent][1], [sess. 24, can. 4][2]), and Canon Law has established the [diriment impediment][3]: >[Can. 1083][4] §1. A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age cann...
The Church has the authority over marriage (Council of Trent , sess. 24, can. 4 ), and Canon Law has established the diriment impediment :
>Can. 1083 §1. A man before he has completed his sixteenth year of age and a woman before she has completed her fourteenth year of age cannot enter into a valid marriage.
But can, in addition to this, the Church say that the difference in ages between the man and woman marrying must not be more than, for example, 10 years?
Have canonists deliberated on the question of marital age disparity? Is there a reason the Church does not (at least currently) have a law prohibiting marriages with large age disparities?
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Why is it traditionally thought that book of daniel's author is Daniel?
I understand that most scholars think that book of Daniel is a forgery and definitely not written in the 6th century BC and not written by Daniel. What strikes me is why Christians traditionally think that the book was written by Daniel ? In the book itself, first 1-6 chapters, it's written in 3rd p...
I understand that most scholars think that book of Daniel is a forgery and definitely not written in the 6th century BC and not written by Daniel.
What strikes me is why Christians traditionally think that the book was written by Daniel ? In the book itself, first 1-6 chapters, it's written in 3rd person and not 1st which definitely don't mean at all that book was written by Daniel. For sure, 7-12 sometimes talk about in 1st person but what solid argument does this give that book was written by Daniel ?
Would you be able to shed lights about why Christians think that it was written by Daniel ? what's their reasoning ?
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Was Terah, Abrahams father alive when God commanded him to leave his homeland?
Was Abrahams father alive, when God told him ho for yourself. Did he leave his father behind or was he not alive at that time?
Was Abrahams father alive, when God told him ho for yourself. Did he leave his father behind or was he not alive at that time?
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What is the difference, if any, between "unclean spirits" (Mark 5:2) and "demons" (Matthew 8:16)?
I realized today that when I used the word "demons" I was thinking of evil spirits of all varieties, including human beings that work evil from the spirit world. But others believe the word "demon" only applies to non-human spirits such as fallen angels or perhaps evil deities of some sort. In the B...
I realized today that when I used the word "demons" I was thinking of evil spirits of all varieties, including human beings that work evil from the spirit world. But others believe the word "demon" only applies to non-human spirits such as fallen angels or perhaps evil deities of some sort.
In the Bible, Jesus refers to the "unclean spirit" [or spirits] that possessed the man who called himself Legion because he was tormented by so many evil spirits.
> [Jesus said] “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!” And Jesus
> asked him, “What is your name?” He replied, “My name is Legion; for we
> are many.” And he begged him eagerly not to send them out of the
> country. Now a great herd of swine was feeding there on the
> hillside; and they [the spirits] begged him, “Send us to the swine, let us enter
> them.” So he gave them leave. And the unclean spirits came out, and
> entered the swine; and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed
> down the steep bank into the sea, and were drowned in the sea. (Mark
> 5:9-13)
But elsewhere, Jesus heals various people possessed by "demons."
> That evening they brought to him many who were possessed with demons;
> and he cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick.
I'd like to know more about how various Christian denominations and other religions view those who do evil in the spiritual realm, and especially: do they believe that the term "demons" includes evil spirits who were once human beings.
Rather than personal opinions, a good answer will provide the perspectives of several religions or experts. I would not rule out spiritualists in the latter category.
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How do Reformed theologians interpret and apply 1 Corinthians 4:6, where Paul says, ‘Do not go beyond what is written, and learn from us’?
In Reformed teaching, how can we discern when a doctrine is genuinely grounded in Scripture versus when we’ve gone beyond what the text actually says (1 Cor 4:6)? As a lay student seeking to handle God’s Word reverently, how can I develop the habit of distinguishing between what Scripture explicitly...
In Reformed teaching, how can we discern when a doctrine is genuinely grounded in Scripture versus when we’ve gone beyond what the text actually says (1 Cor 4:6)?
As a lay student seeking to handle God’s Word reverently, how can I develop the habit of distinguishing between what Scripture explicitly states and what comes from common assumptions or inherited interpretations—so that I do not “go beyond what is written,” especially on topics that the Bible addresses only briefly or selectively, particularly from a Reformed view?
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Is there an equivalent of analytic meditation in Protestantism?
Analytic meditation, [as defined][1]: > Our minds are filled with confused thoughts and beliefs; often, even when we recognize logically that our beliefs are wrong, they are so embedded that they are virtually impossible to shed. By employing vigorous analytical methods and reasoning, we can deconst...
Analytic meditation, as defined :
> Our minds are filled with confused thoughts and beliefs; often, even when we recognize logically that our beliefs are wrong, they are so embedded that they are virtually impossible to shed. By employing vigorous analytical methods and reasoning, we can deconstruct these beliefs, actively examining the concepts we cling to and questioning whether they really exist. With practice, logic becomes more sustainable, and understanding gains force, leading to wisdom.
Is there any equivalent of analytic meditation in any Christian tradition/denomination/sect, specifically in ***Protestant*** tradition? If yes, what are the supporting scriptures?
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How can John the Baptist be the greatest man born of woman, when Jesus was also born of woman?
Pope Francis tweeted today: > Both John the Baptist, who is the greatest man born of woman, and the > Son of God have chosen the path of humiliation. God shows this path to > Christians so they can move forward. One cannot be humble without > having suffered humiliation. - [#HomilySantaMarta](https:...
Pope Francis tweeted today:
> Both John the Baptist, who is the greatest man born of woman, and the
> Son of God have chosen the path of humiliation. God shows this path to
> Christians so they can move forward. One cannot be humble without
> having suffered humiliation. - [#HomilySantaMarta](https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/1225755397518249984?s=20)
This definitely connects with (and may be based on) the following passage from Scripture:
> 11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no
> one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the
> kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the
> Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence,[d] and
> the violent take it by force. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law
> prophesied until John, 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is
> Elijah who is to come. (Matthew 11 ESV)
In these verses, Jesus does clearly say that there is no one born of women who is greater than John the Baptist. He also places John in the position of Elijah (who was prophesied to return, as far as I know). It is easy to understand why John the Baptist is great, and there is no one greater than him except for Jesus. But Jesus does not exclude himself in this statement, which surprises me.
I would automatically assume that Jesus is greater than John the Baptist. Jesus is the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God, the Lord and Savior of Christians. Jesus is also born of woman (the Virgin Mary). How can John the Baptist be the greatest man born of woman, when Jesus Christ was also born of a woman?
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What is a Pacifist interpretation of the Cleansing of the Temple?
> 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he...
> 13 When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” 17 His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.” - John 2:13-17 NIV
This passage can easily be read to be a "violent" reaction from Jesus. Leaving aside Niebuhr and pontifical statements *against* Christian Pacifism, how do Christian Pacifists interpret and apply this passage of scripture?
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How do Trinitarians explain verses where Jesus claims to have a God?
According to orthodox trinitarian doctrine, the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is co-eqaul, eternally begotten, not made. With that in mind, how could Jesus have a God? For instance, how do Trinitarians explain verses such as the following verses in a way which is con...
According to orthodox trinitarian doctrine, the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is co-eqaul, eternally begotten, not made.
With that in mind, how could Jesus have a God? For instance, how do Trinitarians explain verses such as the following verses in a way which is consistent with their doctrine?
John 20:17 (KJV)
> Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my
> Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my
> Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
John 17:3 (KJV)
> "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true
> God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
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Is there a level of assurance one must have to be saved?
To be more specific: If someone believes there is a 60% chance that they can be saved, and lives as if they have full confidence, is that a saving faith?
To be more specific: If someone believes there is a 60% chance that they can be saved, and lives as if they have full confidence, is that a saving faith?
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What other Church Fathers, besides St. Ephrem, thought that the Samaritan woman in John 4 was in a lawful (or virginal?) marriage with her husband?
Hymn 22 of St. Ephrem's [*Hymns on Virginity*][1] gives his exegesis of Jesus's conversation with the Samaritan woman in [John 4][2]. McVey & Meyendorff [*ibid.*][1] p. 354 show that St. Ephrem argues that: >It is not the case that this woman has been divorced and remarried five times and is therefo...
Hymn 22 of St. Ephrem's *Hymns on Virginity* gives his exegesis of Jesus's conversation with the Samaritan woman in John 4 .
McVey & Meyendorff *ibid.* p. 354 show that St. Ephrem argues that:
>It is not the case that this woman has been divorced and remarried five times and is therefore reproached by Jesus for immorality. Instead she is the victim of a plight like that of Sarah before her marriage to Tobias (str. 4–5). Because the deaths of five successive husbands made all fearful of marrying her and yet to be unmarried subjected her to reproach, she had devised a false marriage for the sake of appearances. Far from being virtually a harlot, as others assume, Ephrem argues that her secret revealed by Jesus is that she is living chastely in her marriage (str. 12–13). This is evident on three grounds: 1) the confidence of her manner of argument (str. 5–9); 2) Jesus’ willingness to speak along with her (str. 5, 10–11); and 3) several typological precedents for her behavior for example, others, notably Elizabeth and Hannah were chagrined by their lack of husbands or children (str. 14–15); just as the unmasking of a deception by Abraham and Sarah about Sarah’s marital status led to the respect of a Gentile king for God, the unveiling of this woman’s deception led to the belief of a city of Gentiles (str. 16–18); just as Tamar disguised her marital status for the sake of continuing the messianic line so the deception of the Samaritan woman led to the revelation of the Messiah to her people (str 19–20).
What other Church Fathers, besides St. Ephrem, thought that the Samaritan woman in John 4:17-18 was in a lawful (or virginal?) marriage with her husband?
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Why Call Satan Lucifer when he isnt?
When it says lucifer it is clearly referring to the king of Babylon after his fall.Why has nobody corrected this mistake in so many years?
When it says lucifer it is clearly referring to the king of Babylon after his fall.Why has nobody corrected this mistake in so many years?
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When did Christians first claim a connection between Jesus and the angel of the Lord?
### Background The phrase מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה (angel of Y-H-V-H) is found several times in the Hebrew bible: > Then the **angel of the Lord** said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will you withhold mercy from Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which you have been angry these seventy years?” Then the Lor...
### Background
The phrase מַלְאַךְ יְהוָה (angel of Y-H-V-H) is found several times in the Hebrew bible:
> Then the **angel of the Lord** said, “O Lord of hosts, how long will you withhold mercy from Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, with which you have been angry these seventy years?” Then the Lord replied with gracious and comforting words to **the angel** who spoke with me. (Zechariah 1:12-13)
> But when **the angel** stretched out his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented concerning the evil and said to **the angel** who was bringing destruction among the people, “It is enough; now stay your hand.” **The angel of the Lord** was standing by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite. (2 Samuel 24:16)
> **The angel of the Lord** found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, the spring on the way to Shur. 8 And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from and where are you going?” She said, “I am running away from my mistress Sarai.” (Genesis 16:7-8)
### Question
It is a relatively common (if not mainstream) Christian belief among most denominations that the "angel of the Lord" found in the Hebrew bible is a pre-incarnate form of Jesus. However this belief appears to post-date the Bible since the New Testament does not make this claim.
- When was the angel of the Lord first explicitly identified as Jesus/a person of the Trinity?
- Who first made this claim and where did they make it?
- What's the history of the co-identification of the "angel of the Lord" with Jesus?
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Why is "Papist" a derogatory term?
*Please note that this is a question and I am not trying to insult anyone.* The term "Papist" is often used as an insult in anti-Catholic rhetoric, and I have not heard it used by Catholics to describe themselves (except in an ironic or humorous way). I'm wondering why the term is considered derogat...
*Please note that this is a question and I am not trying to insult anyone.*
The term "Papist" is often used as an insult in anti-Catholic rhetoric, and I have not heard it used by Catholics to describe themselves (except in an ironic or humorous way).
I'm wondering why the term is considered derogatory. Etymologically, it would simply means someone who believes in the institution of the Papacy, which is not only accurate for Catholics but something they are definitely not ashamed of.
The reason I'm wondering this is because it's somewhat of a shame that there's no neutral term for the RCC. By calling them the "Catholic Church" one implicitly accepts their claim to be the church that is catholic, which is an ecclesiological claim no-one outside the group would agree with. Sometimes Protestants call them the "Roman Church" or "Roman Catholic" in order to avoid this difficulty, and I have also heard of these terms used by Catholics to distinguish themselves from Anglo-Catholics. But this is also considered derogatory by some Catholics. Also it is not wholly accurate unless it is meant to be "the churches in communion with the Roman Church" since this term is meant to include Eastern Rite Catholics, which are not "Roman" except in the sense that they are at the top level part of the same organization.
Anyway, I'm wondering about the origins of the term "Papist" and why it is considered derogatory by Catholics. I am mainly asking why it is received as derogatory by Catholics, who obviously don't take offense at being described as those who believe in the Papacy since they don't think this is a bad thing.
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What do Christians mean by "Jesus took our illnesses upon himself on the cross" and why?
There's a variety of perspectives about the use of terminology such as "Jesus took our illnesses upon himself on the cross" (from perhaps "sickness is something that shouldn't affect Christians" to perhaps a focus on the full-application being in the future kingdom) that this statement could cover....
There's a variety of perspectives about the use of terminology such as "Jesus took our illnesses upon himself on the cross"
(from perhaps "sickness is something that shouldn't affect Christians" to perhaps a focus on the full-application being in the future kingdom) that this statement could cover.
What are the background texts to support such a statement (one would not have to agree with the exegesis to present the texts used to support the doctrine).
One commonly referenced text would be Isa 53:4-5 which concludes
> and with his wounds we are healed
What is the range of ideas that "Jesus took our illnesses" covers and what key texts are used to build up that argument.
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How do "Sola Fide" adherents reconcile with the three aspects of faith?
Historical Protestantism (particularly in the Lutheran and Reformed traditions) have since the Magisterial Reformation held to two doctrines relating what is required of an individual for salvation. The first is the doctrine of *Sola Fide*, meaning "by faith alone". This principle states that salvat...
Historical Protestantism (particularly in the Lutheran and Reformed traditions) have since the Magisterial Reformation held to two doctrines relating what is required of an individual for salvation.
The first is the doctrine of *Sola Fide*, meaning "by faith alone". This principle states that salvation is not by works of man, but by faith in Christ. In fact, not only are works insufficient to merit salvation on their own, they account for not even a portion of our salvation--it is, rather, *wholly* through faith in Christ.
The second doctrine was worked out by Luther and put into its present form by his collaborator and successor, Melancthon. This doctrine is simply a definition of faith, or sometimes known as the three aspects of faith--as such, it is intended to explain what is required of the "faith" for salvation "by faith alone". The doctrine has three steps:
1. *notitia* One must know the basic information (or "content") such as Christ's death and resurrection.
1. *assensus* One must agree that the basic information is correct. In other words, he/she must not only have heard that Christ died and rose again, but they must believe that he did do that.
1. *fiducia* One must trust in Christ, and rest on the knowledge that the content to which he/she assented is sufficient to save.
It is this last piece--fiducia--that I struggle with reconciling with the concept of Sola Fide. Scripture makes clear that these first two points are insufficient (James 2:19 ), and on the face of it, it makes sense that we must trust in Christ for our salvation.
Where I struggle is that *fiducia* puts faith in functional terms. This means that, although in theory, I trust in Christ for my salvation, I don't always do so in practice.
Here's an example: I'm can be a bit of a control freak, and sometimes yell at my wife in trying to assert my control. I am not loving her as I'm commanded to do so, and it stems from my pride. Although I think I trust in Christ for my salvation, my actions show that I am considering another functional 'gospel' (control) of 'salvation' and another function 'god' (myself) that will effect that 'salvation'.
When I stop and think about it, I know that I am no god, and that my gospel is no gospel, but I do stumble and my actions reveal my heart. In fact, I would argue (and Luther has) that every sin follows such a pattern.
To come at the problem more directly, this notion of *fiducia* makes my faith dependent upon my works, whereas "Sola Fide" asserts that salvation is through faith and not works. How does this puzzle fit together?
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Did ancient catholics mentioned the Assumption of Mary before the condemnation of the "Assumption of holy Mary apocryphus" by the Gelasian Decree
Is it true that the Assumption of Mary is taken from (apocrypha condemned by popes), and do we have evidence that it is not, but parallel unwritten tradition, not from apocrypha? Do ancient church fathers or writings before 5c. AD mention the Assumption of Mary? While the Gelasian Decree condemned t...
Is it true that the Assumption of Mary is taken from (apocrypha condemned by popes), and do we have evidence that it is not, but parallel unwritten tradition, not from apocrypha? Do ancient church fathers or writings before 5c. AD mention the Assumption of Mary?
While the Gelasian Decree condemned these apocrypha, did the same popes believed in the Assumption of Saint Mary, do we have evidence from writings?
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**The short answer to this, from the current information from catholic and other sources:**
**Mentioning of the Assumption of Saint Mary - after the Gelasian Decree:**
**(According to the catholic source "St. Gregory of Tours (d. 593)" is the earliest - known Patristic witness. (mentioning the assumption prob. from apocrypha?))**
**St.Gregory of Tours (d.593):**
> The earliest known Patristic witness to the belief in the Assumption
> in the West appears to be **St. Gregory of Tours (d. 593)**. However, due
> to the detail with which he describes the death of our Blessed Mother
> with the Apostles in attendance, and her Assumption at the command of
> Christ, **some scholars believe that he was greatly influenced by the
> Apocrypha.86**
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=469
>
**St. Isidore of Seville (d.636):**
> **St. Isidore of Seville (d.636) in (De ortu et obitu Patrum, 67; PL,
> 83, 150)** **appears to be the first to cast some doubt upon the fact of
> Mary's death.** **Obviously ignoring the Apocrypha**, he said of the death
> of Mary: ". . . nowhere does one read of her death. Although, as some
> say, her sepulchre may be found in the valley of Josaphat."10
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=469
**1.**(2?-3?-4-5 c.AD) - **(The apocrypha:)** (Liber Requiei Mariae ("**The Book of Mary's Repose**")), (**Six Books Dormition Apocryphon**. It dates almost certainly to the middle of the fourth century, if not perhaps even earlier.), (The Greek Discourse on the Dormition or **The Book of John Concerning the Falling Asleep of Mary** (attributed to John the Theologian), is another anonymous narrative, and may even precede **the Book of Mary's Repose**. This Greek document, is dated by Tischendorf as no later than the 4th century. but is dated by Shoemaker as later.), (the apocryphal treatise **De Obitu S. Dominae**, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the apocryphal book **De Transitus Beatae Mariae Virginis**, falsely ascribed to Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to Denis the Areopagite.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary
**2.(c. 375AD - in The Book Panarion) (In the East)** Epiphanius of Salamis does not know about the Assumption of Saint Mary he says - "No one knows her end. But we must not honor the saints to excess; we must honor their Master."
**Page 635 or 654 in the pdf.**
https://ia800501.us.archive.org/18/items/EpiphaniusPanarionBksIIIII1/Epiphanius - _Panarion_ - Bks II %26 III - 1.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarion
**3.(384-496-523 AD?) (in the West)** - Condemnation of the "Assumption of holy Mary apocryphus" by the (Gelasian Decree c. 5c.AD? (384-496-523 AD))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelasian_Decree
**4.(c. If any think am mistaken, moreover, let them search through the
> scriptures and neither find Mary’s death, nor whether or not she died,
> nor whether or not she was buried—even though John surely traveled
> throughout Asia. And yet, nowhere does he say that he took the holy
> Virgin with him. Scripture simply kept silence because of the
> overwhelming wonder, not to throw men’s minds into consternation.
> 11,3 For I dare not say—though I have my suspicions, I keep silent.
> Perhaps, just as her death is not to be found, so I may have found
> some traces of the holy and blessed Virgin.(4) In one passage Simeon
> says of her, “And a sword shall pierce through thine own soul also,
> that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.” 35 And elsewhere
> the Revelation of John says, “And the dragon hastened after the woman
> who had born the man child, and she was given the wings of an eagle
> and was taken to the wilderness, that the dragon might not seize
> her.” 36 Perhaps this can be applied to her; I cannot decide for
> certain, and am not saying that she remained immortal. But neither am
> I affirming that she died. 11,5 For scripture went beyond man’s
> understanding and left it in suspense with regard to the precious and
> choice vessel, so that no one would suspect carnal behavior of her.
> Whether she died, I don’t know; and [even] if she was buried, she
> never had carnal relations, perish the thought! (6) Who will choose,
> from self-inflicted insanity, to cast a blasphemous suspicion [on
> her], raise his voice, give free rein to his tongue, flap his mouth
> with evil intent, invent insults instead of hymns and glory, hurl
> abuse at the holy Virgin, and deny honor to the precious Vessel?
**Epiphanius of Salamis - Panarion - against antidicomarians 11,3**
**Page 644 or 625**
https://ia800501.us.archive.org/18/items/EpiphaniusPanarionBksIIIII1/Epiphanius%20-%20_Panarion_%20-%20Bks%20II%20%26%20III%20-%201.pdf
> The holy virgin may have died and been buried—her falling asleep was
> with honor, her death in purity, her crown in virginity. Or she may
> have been put to death—as the scripture says, “And a sword shall
> pierce through her soul” 96—her fame is among the martyrs and her holy
> body, by which light rose on the world, [rests] amid blessings. Or she
> may have remained alive, for God is not incapable of doing whatever he
> wills. No one knows her end. But we must not honor the saints to
> excess; we must honor their Master. (10) It is time for the error of
> those who have gone astray to cease. Mary is not God and does not have
> her body from heaven but by human conception, though, like Isaac, she
> was provided by promise. (11)
**Ephiphanius of Salamis - Panarion - against antidicomarians**
**Page 635 or 654 in the pdf.**
> And if I should say anything more in her praise, [she is] like Elijah,
> who was virgin from his mother’s womb, always remained so, and was
> taken up and has not seen death.
**Page 641 or 660.**
**Some catholics say that this part show that Epiphanius believed in the assumption of Mary, but I think that the stress is under the virginity. Because as above he says - No one knows her end.**
> >No one knows her end. But we must not honor the saints to
> > excess; we must honor their Master. (10) It is time for the error of
> > those who have gone astray to cease. Mary is not God and does not have
> > her body from heaven but by human conception, though, like Isaac, she
> > was provided by promise. (11)
**Page 635 or 654 in the pdf.**
https://ia800501.us.archive.org/18/items/EpiphaniusPanarionBksIIIII1/Epiphanius%20-%20_Panarion_%20-%20Bks%20II%20%26%20III%20-%201.pdf
> “What is between me and thee?” that the holy Virgin is anything more
> [than a woman], he called her “Woman” as if by prophecy, because of
> the schisms and sects that were to appear on earth. Otherwise some
> might stumble into the nonsense of the sect from excessive awe of the
> saint.
**Ephiphanius of Salamis - Panarion - against collyridians 8**
**(I think that it may be also relevant to mention the title queen of heaven)**
> the error which has arisen on St. Mary’s account.... preparing the
> table for the demon25 and not for God..... even though Mary is all
> fair, and is holy and held in honor, she is not to be worshiped.....
> Such women should be silenced by Jeremiah, and not frighten the world.
> They must not say, “We honor the queen of heaven.”...
**The book Panarion:**
**It was written in Koine Greek beginning in 374 or 375, and issued about three years later,1**
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panarion
**(Here it seems that Epiphanius is mentioning Anne and Joachim - probably the Protoevangelium of James - It is interesting that he starts with - "If any think am mistaken, moreover, let them search through the scriptures and neither find Mary’s death, nor whether or not she died" and here he mentions Anne and Joachim that are not found in scripture, but apocrypha?)**
>
> For the age-old error of forgetting the living God and worshiping his
> creatures will not get the better of me. (4) They served and worshiped
> the creature more than the creator,” and “were made fools.”14 If it is
> not his will that angels be worshiped, how much more the woman **born
> of Ann**,15 who was given to **Ann by Joachim 16** and granted to her
> father and mother by promise, after prayer and all diligence? She was
> surely not born other than normally, but of a man’s seed and a woman’s
> womb like everyone else. (5
**Ephiphanius of Salamis - Panarion - against collyridians 8**
Page 644 in the pdf
https://ia800501.us.archive.org/18/items/EpiphaniusPanarionBksIIIII1/Epiphanius%20-%20_Panarion_%20-%20Bks%20II%20%26%20III%20-%201.pdf
**Translated from Russian:**
ENGLISH
> Regarding written patristic testimonies about the death of the Mother
> of God, there is a firm conviction that they did not exist before the
> 4th century. St. Epiphanius of Cyprus writes: “Let them search the
> Scriptures, and they will not find information about the death of
> Mary, nor about whether she died, nor about whether she did not die,
> nor about whether she was buried, nor about whether she was not
> buried.” Scant testimonies about the death of the Mother of God begin
> to appear in the writings of individual church writers only after the
> 4th century 1. The events of the Dormition and Burial of the Virgin
> Mary are known from several apocrypha: "The Tale of the Dormition of
> the Virgin Mary" by Pseudo-John the Theologian (originating in the
> middle of the 5th century or later), "On the Exodus of the Virgin
> Mary" by Pseudo-Meliton of Sardis (not earlier than the 4th century),
> the work of Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite, "The Tale" by
> Pseudo-Joseph, "The Sermon of John, Archbishop of Thessaloniki". These
> apocrypha are all quite late (5th-6th centuries) and differ from each
> other in content2.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%94%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%8B_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8
ENGLISH
> Until the 5th century, the Church Fathers make no mention of the feast
> of the Dormition of the Virgin Mary. At the end of the 6th century,
> Emperor Maurice established the celebration of the Dormition on August
> 15.3 Epiphanius of Cyprus, a Jew by origin, a native of Phoenicia, who converted to Christianity in adulthood and lived as a monk for over 20
> years in Palestine from 335-340 to 362, writes in his Panarion,
> written in 378, that nothing is known about the circumstances of
> Mary's death: neither the place of her death, nor whether she died of
> her own accord or was murdered.1 It should be noted that Epiphanius of
> Cyprus researched various Christian historical works when writing his
> books, and also knew and communicated personally with virtually all
> the heads of the local Christian churches. Beginning in the 5th
> century,the cult of Mary began to develop, and for this purpose,
> authors wrote various works of their own composition, describing the
> death (or Dormition) of the Virgin Mary.The authors do not sign these
> works with their own names, but instead, they attribute the names of
> ancient and revered holy fathers who lived in the 1st and 2nd
> centuries, such as John the Theologian, Dionysius the Areopagite, and
> Melito of Sardis, as the authors.2
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%98%D0%BE%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0_%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D0%B1_%D1%83%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%A1%D0%B2%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%86%D1%8B
**I read from sources that the Assumption of Mary was taken from apocrypha,and I even read that some of these apocrypha seem to be even condemned by the popes in the beginning (492AD-553AD) - the Gelasian Decree. It seems that the west adopted the assumption of Mary story later - in 7th century?**
https://christiantruth.com/articles/assumption/
> The feast of the Dormition,arrived in the West in the early 7th
> century,its name changing to Assumption in some 9th century
> liturgical calendars. The feast was decreed for Constantinople on
> 15 August by the emperor Maurice in 600; about fifty years later it
> was introduced in Rome and is mentioned in a papal decree of Sergius
> (687–701),who fixed a procession for the feast. Pope Leo IV
> (reigned 847–855) gave the feast a vigil and an octave to solemnise it
> above all others, Pope Nicholas I (858–867) placed it on a par with
> Christmas and Easter, and Pope Benedict XIV (1740–1758) declared it "a
> probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assumption_of_Mary#:~:text=The%20feast%20of%20the%20Dormition,response%20to%20both%20these%20questions .
**Gelasian Decree (496-553 AD?):**
> A catalogue of the 'apocrypha' and other writings which are to be
> rejected.
>
> The remaining writings which have been compiled or been recognized by
> heretics or schismatics the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church does
> not in any way receive;of these we have thought it right to cite
> below some which have been handed down and which are to be avoided by
> catholics.Further Enumeration of Apocryphal Books:
http://www.ntcanon.org/Decretum_Gelasianum.shtml
> the book which is called the Assumption of holy Mary apocryphus
>
> **in the other link probably is the -** Book which is called the
> Home-going of the Holy Mary
http://mountainman.com.au/essenes/decretum%20gelasianum.htm
Please let me know if you know some other sources and your thoughts.
Thanks in advance.
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**UPDATE:**
**(I can not guarantee the source, it is hard to find this text on the internet from catholic source)**
**Isidore of Seville (c. 560-636)**
> Some say that Mary departed this life by passing through the coarse
> torments of martyrdom,since the just man Simeon, holding Christ in
> his arms,was prophesying when he said to his Mother:"A sword will
> pierce your heart"(Lk 2:35).But it is not certain whether he was
> speaking of a material sword or if he meant the word of God,which is
> stronger and more cutting than any two-edged sword.**In any case, no
> particular historical narrative tells us that Mary was killed by the
> stroke of a sword,since one reads nothing about it,and nothing about
> her death either. However,some say that her tomb is to be found in
> the valley of Josaphat.**
**(Cf. I. Bengoechea, "Doctrina", 178)
(De ortu et obitu Patrum, 67; PL, 83, 150)**
https://scripturalmormonism.blogspot.com/2024/08/isidore-of-seville-c-560-636-on.html
https://www.academia.edu/124196275/The_Assumption_of_Mary_A_Historical_Critical_Analysis
**(The only catholic source I could find ab. Isadore)**
> St. Isidore of Seville (d. 636) appears to be the first to cast some
> doubt upon the fact of Mary's death. Obviously ignoring the Apocrypha,
> he said of the death of Mary: ". . . **nowhere does one read of her
> death**. **Although, as some say, her sepulchre may be found in the valley
> of Josaphat."10 Tusaredo, a Bishop in the Asturias province of Spain
> in the eighth century, wrote:"Of the glorious Mary, no history
> teaches that she suffered martyrdom or any other kind of death.**"11
> Although St.Andrew of Crete (d.720) generally introduced much
> theological argumentation into his writings, he states,with very
> little argumentation, that Mary died because her Son died.12 The same
> is true of a similar teaching of St.John Damascene (d.749).13 And
> about one hundred years later,Theodore Abou-Kurra (d.c.820) likened
> the death of Mary to the sleep of Adam in the Garden when God formed
> Eve from one of his ribs.14 This,obviously, was not a true death.
>
> All the great Scholastics of the thirteenth century taught that Mary
> died. The principal reason for their so teaching was obviously the
> fact that they denied the Immaculate Conception in the sense in which
> it was defined by Pope Pius IX.15
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=469
**(Catholic source)**
> The fact of Mary's death and subsequent resurrection is uncertain. We
> cannot say, therefore, that they are included within the scope of the
> definition of Pope Pius XII.6 For a Pope defines only what is certain.
>
>
>
>
>
> **In the first three centuries there are absolutely no references in the
> authentic works of the Fathers** or ecclesiastical writers to the death
> or bodily immortality of Mary. **Nor is there any mention of a tomb of
> Mary in the first centuries of Christianity.** **The veneration of the
> tomb of the Blessed Virgin at Jerusalem began about the middle of the
> fifth century;** and even here there is no agreement as to whether its
> locality was in the Garden of Olives or in the Valley of Josaphat.Nor
> is any mention made in the Acts of the Council of Ephesus(431) of the
> fact that the Council, convened to defend the Divine Maternity of the
> Mother of God, is being held in the very city selected by God for her
> final resting place.**Only after the Council did the tradition begin
> which placed her tomb in that city.**
>
> **The earliest known (non-Apocryphal) mention concerning the end of
> Mary's life appears in the writings of St.Epiphanius,** Bishop of
> Constantia, the ancient Salamina, in the isle of Cyprus. Born in
> Palestine, we may assume that he was well aware of the traditions
> there. Yet we find these words in his Panarion or Medicine Chest (of
> remedies for all heresies), written in c. 377: "Whether she died or
> was buried we know not."7
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> And with the exception of a so-called contemporary of Epiphanius,
> Timothy of Jerusalem, who said:"Wherefore the Virgin is immortal up
> to now, because He who dwelt in her took her to the regions of the
> Ascension,"9 no early writer ever doubted the fact of her death. They
> did not, however, examine the question; they merely took the fact of
> her death for granted.
>
>
>
> ....After a very thorough and scholarly investigation the author
> concludes that Timothy is an unknown author who lived between the
> sixth and seventh centuries (p. 23).)
>
>
>
>
> Apparently influenced by the apocryphal Transitus writings of the
> fifth to the seventh centuries, later Fathers and Church writers
> likewise spoke of the death of Mary as a fact taken for granted. For
> all men, including Christ, died: therefore, Mary, too.Like their
> predecessors, they did not consider ex professo the theological
> arguments for or against.
>
> St. Isidore of Seville (d. 636) in **(De ortu et obitu Patrum, 67; PL, 83, 150)** appears to be the first to cast some
> doubt upon the fact of Mary's death. Obviously ignoring the Apocrypha,
> he said of the death of Mary:". . . nowhere does one read of her
> death. Although, as some say, her sepulchre may be found in the valley
> of Josaphat."10 Tusaredo, a Bishop in the Asturias province of Spain
> in the eighth century, wrote: "Of the glorious Mary, no history
> teaches that she suffered martyrdom or any other kind of death."11
> Although St. Andrew of Crete (d.720) generally introduced much
> theological argumentation into his writings, he states, with very
> little argumentation, that Mary died because her Son died.12 The same
> is true of a similar teaching of St.John Damascene (d.749).13 And
> about one hundred years later,Theodore Abou-Kurra (d.c.820) likened
> the death of Mary to the sleep of Adam in the Garden when God formed
> Eve from one of his ribs.14 This,obviously, was not a true death.
>
>
> **All the great Scholastics of the thirteenth century taught that Mary
> died. The principal reason for their so teaching was obviously the
> fact that they denied the Immaculate Conception in the sense in which
> it was defined by Pope Pius IX.15** Thus we read in the writings of St.
> Bonaventure:"If the Blessed Virgin was free from original sin, she
> was also exempt from the necessity of dying; therefore, either her
> death was an injustice or she died for the salvation of the human
> race. But the former supposition is blasphemous, implying that God is
> not just; and the latter, too,is a blasphemy against Christ for it
> implies that His Redemption is insufficient.Both are therefore
> erroneous and impossible.Therefore Our Blessed Lady was subject to
> original sin."16
>
> After the definition of the Immaculate Conception by Pope Pius IX in
> 1854 the question of whether or not Our Blessed Lady died gradually
> became a subject of wide theological discussion and is today one of
> the most widely disputed Mariological questions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **Besides isolation from the East and ignorance of its literature,** there
> was also a **strong animus against the apocrypha in scholarly circles.**
> **These were about the only early literature on the subject known in the
> West, and their legendary character engendered doubts about the truth
> of the Assumption.**
>
>
> The development of the doctrine in the West, therefore, was more or
> less independent of the East, so that the two trends of thought
> confirm each other."70 Consequently,since the rule of belief
> determines the rule of prayer, one could not expect to find the feast
> at a time when the belief in the Assumption was not explicit.
>
>
> **There are no certain references to the existence of the feast in the
> West earlier than the middle of the seventh century.** The earliest
> witness appears to be the Gospel Lectionary of Wurzburg (c.650) in
> which the feast for August 15 is found to be Natale Sanctae Mariae.71
> And in this century Pope Sergius I (687-701) decreed that on the feast
> of the Dormition (as well as on the Annunciation and the Nativity of
> our Blessed Mother) there should be a procession from the church of
> St. Adrian to the church of St.Mary Major.72 Most probably it was
> this same Pope who introduced the feast of the Dormition into the
> Roman calendar since there are no traces of it there before 690. A
> Syrian by birth, Pope Sergius was well acquainted with the feast from
> his homeland. The name of the feast was changed from the Dormition to
> the Assumption of St. Mary at the beginning of the eighth century.73
> And Pope Leo IV (847-855) introduced the solemn vigil and octave.74
> From Rome the feast soon spread to England, France, and Spain.
>
>
>
>
> In the Munificentissimus Deus the Holy Father cites the Gregorian
> Sacramentary which Pope Adrian I sent to the Emperor Charlemagne
> between the years 784-790. The following are the words quoted from the
> Sacramentary: "Venerable to us,O Lord,is the festivity of this day
> on which the holy Mother of God suffered temporal death,but still
> could not be kept down by the bonds of death,who has begotten Thy Son
> Our Lord incarnate from herself."75 Although the words "could not be
> kept down by the bonds of death" express the idea of Assumption only
> implicitly,they are commonly understood in the sense of Resurrection
> and Assumption of Mary and not only bodily incorruption.
>
>
>
> However, apart from the Apocrypha, there is no authentic witness to
> the Assumption among the Fathers of either the East or the West prior
> to the end of the fifth century.**
>
> Doubtless the Holy Father made no mention of the Apocrypha due to the
> fact that many non-Catholic critics maintain that the later tradition
> of the Church expressing belief in the Assumption is an outgrowth of
> them.81
>
>
> Failing to find in the sacred books of the Bible sufficient detail to
> satisfy their curiosity concerning certain phases of the lives of
> Christ and Mary,some of the faithful of the second and third
> centuries AD. drew these details from other sources,frequently
> spurious, from their own imaginations,and from the popular beliefs of
> the time. And in the firm hope that their works would be accepted as
> canonical scripture, they attributed them to the Apostles and
> Evangelists. This apocryphal literature is divided into gospels,
> epistles, and apocalypses.82
>
> Written originally in Latin, Greek, Syriac, and Coptic, the Apocrypha
> passed through many versions and the result is an overwhelming variety
> of subject matter and detail.In describing the death of Mary and its
> sequel, however, they all agree in stating that the death of Mary was
> an exception to that of the rest of mankind and, with but few
> exceptions, they state that her sacred body was preserved incorrupt
> and that it was assumed into heaven.
>
>
> **The absence of an uninterrupted chain of explicit testimonies linking
> our times with the Apostolic period was used by some Catholic
> theologians previous to the definition of Pope Pius XII as well as by
> non-Catholic critics as an argument against the doctrine of the
> Assumption** or its definability. Against these we quote the words of
> the eminent Mariologist, Father Juniper Carol, O.F.M., written
> previous to the definition...
>
>
>
> **The earliest known Patristic witness to the belief in the Assumption
> in the West appears to be St.Gregory of Tours (d.593).** However, due
> to the detail with which he describes the death of our Blessed Mother
> with the Apostles in attendance, and her Assumption at the command of
> Christ, **some scholars believe that he was greatly influenced by the
> Apocrypha.86** The Saint said:"When finally the Blessed Virgin had
> fulfilled the course of this life, and was now to be called out of
> this world, all the Apostles were gathered together from each region
> to her house . . . and behold the Lord Jesus came with His angels and,
> receiving her soul, entrusted it to the Archangel Michael and
> departed. At the break of day the Apostles lifted the body with the
> couch and laid it in the sepulchre,and they guarded it awaiting the
> coming of the Lord. And behold the Lord again stood by them, and
> commanded that the holy body be taken up and borne on a cloud into
> Paradise, where now, reunited with (her) soul and rejoicing with the
> elect, it enjoys the good things of eternity which shall never come to
> an end."87 Later on, in the same work, we read:"Mary, the glorious
> Mother of Christ, who, we believe, was a virgin before and after
> childbirth, was, as we have said before (c.4),carried to Paradise
> preceded by the Lord amidst the singing of angelic choirs."88
>
> Certainly,from the end of the sixth or the beginning of the seventh
> century on, with but few exceptions, the entire Christian Tradition is
> in favor of the doctrine of the Assumption of the Blessed Mother of
> God into heaven.And it was unanimously accepted by the great
> Scholastics of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries many of whom
> either doubted or explicitly denied the Immaculate Conception.89
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=469
If you find misinformation, something wrong etc. let me know to correct it. All this is from public sources and I can not guarantee the accurateness.
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How do translators decide what to use for the title of books of the Bible?
I've noticed occasionally, people use slightly different names for the books of of the Bible (especially in older literature). For example, sometimes Revelation is called Apocalypse. In the Orthodox Study Bible, the books of Samuel-Kings are titled 1-4 Kingdoms, and 1-2 Chronicles are called 1-2 Par...
I've noticed occasionally, people use slightly different names for the books of of the Bible (especially in older literature). For example, sometimes Revelation is called Apocalypse. In the Orthodox Study Bible, the books of Samuel-Kings are titled 1-4 Kingdoms, and 1-2 Chronicles are called 1-2 Paralipomenon. The Wycliffe bible has "Deeds of the Apostles" instead of "Acts of the Apostles".
Based on this neat article on Wikipedia , I'm guessing that part of this goes back to the differences between titles in KJV and Douay-Rheimes.
In other language versions of the Bible, I've also noticed some differing names for the books of the bible. For instance, in Chinese Bibles, the book of Exodus is titled "出埃及" (literally, "exiting Egypt"). That's a pretty good title; it's short and descriptive. This all got me thinking: **What considerations do translators make when deciding what to title Biblical books?** In English, we largely now follow the precedents set by the King James, but that doesn't explain the KJV's translators reasoning originally. It seems that the books that are named after people/places (the Gospels, the Epistles, and the Prophets) are pretty uniform across languages, but other books less so. For the other books, I don't see much of a pattern regarding the usage of **transliterations or common vs. uncommon vs. archaic words** for these translations.
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Here's few other variants in meaning I see between the Bibles of the three languages that I speak (with my non-expert translations to English; I am a native speaker of English so please correct me if I've misunderstood anything in Chinese or Mongolian). I've also noted when some words are uncommon or archaic (neither of the Asian languages are using transliterations other than for the books named after people/places):
| English | Chinese | Mongolian | translation of Chinese name | translation of Mongolian name |
| ------- | --------- | --------- | --------------------------- | --------------------- |
| Genesis | 创世记 | Эхлэл | "Record of the creation of the world" | "Beginning" |
| Exodus | 出埃及记 | Гэтлэл | "Record of exiting Egypt" | "Conquest" - this is not a common word in Mongolian (it's not in the most popular English-Mongolian dictionary at all); It is the noun form of the verb "гэтлэх" meaning to conquer/overcome (also not the most common word for this concept). |
| Deuteronomy | 申命记 | Дэд хууль | "Record of the repeated commands" - using an archaic meaning of the character 申 as "repeat", which in modern Chinese means "stretch", "announce", or "request". | "Secondary law" |
| Psalms | 诗篇 | дуулал | "poems" | "anthems" (it's a rare word for "song", otherwise mainly used to refer to the national anthem) |
| Ecclesiastes | 传道书 | номлогчийн үгс | "Book of preaching" | "words of the preacher" |
| Song of Songs | 雅歌 | Соломоны дуун | "Elegant song" | "Solomon's song" |
| Acts | 使徒行书 | Үйлс | "Book of the Apostles' Actions" - same as the full English title. I've included it because it is abbreviated to "disciples" (徒) instead of "acts" like in English | "acts" |
My Mongolian Bible (Mongolian Bible Society 2019 version) includes brief introductions to each book, but they don't explain the choice of words for titles (especially, whether to use a common, a rare word, or an archaic word). Interestingly, for the book of Exodus it does explain the origin of the *Greek* title, but not why the specific Mongolian word 'Гэтлэл' was chosen.
Please note I'm not asking *specifically* about these three languages, but rather a more general question about the kinds of logic that translators use to make these decisions. Some examples from other languages that I don't speak would still be a good answer.
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P.S. For more documentation, and just for fun, here's some interesting examples other users have pointed out:
* In Finnish bibles, the five books of the Pentateuch are simply titled "First book of Moses", "Second book of Moses", etc. (suggested by user JiK)
* Song of Solomon in the Russian Synodal Version has the title "Song of Songs of Solomon" (suggested by user Seggan)
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Do any Christian groups teach that animals will “go” to heaven?
AFAIK, most Christians would agree that animals don't have souls in the sense that people (humans) do. Many would say further animals don't have free will. Thus, AFAIK, most Christians would say that animals don't "go" to heaven. There are also strong implications that there will be animals *in* hea...
AFAIK, most Christians would agree that animals don't have souls in the sense that people (humans) do. Many would say further animals don't have free will. Thus, AFAIK, most Christians would say that animals don't "go" to heaven.
There are also strong implications that there will be animals *in* heaven (various verses about heaven mentioning them¹, heaven being a restoration of the original Creation which had animals). Presumably, these animals will, like people, be immortal.
**I am not asking about any of the above points.**
Are there any (non-LDS¹) Christian groups that believe that *specific, individual* animals will "go" to heaven? In other words, are there any Christian groups (not just individuals) that believe in the possibility of a human in heaven being "reunited" with e.g. a beloved pet, or that believe in any form of resurrection for animals?
(An acceptable "no" answer should cite sources from most major denominations.)
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(¹ See [Isaiah 11:6](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2011%3A6&version=ESV) , [Isaiah 65:25](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2065%3A25&version=ESV) and [Hosea 2:18](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hosea+2%3A18&version=ESV).)
(² An LDS perspective can be found [here](/questions/62291). However, LDS have notions about heaven that are wildly different from all other groups calling themselves "Christian". Accordingly, I am not interested in LDS perspectives.)
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How do Protestant Christians define usury? Do they believe it is a sin?
### Background Early (pre Protestant Reformation) Christian writers from the 1st through 5th centuries like St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others seem to have universally condemned usury and defined it as charging any interest on loans, not merely excessive or extortionate rates. St. Am...
### Background
Early (pre Protestant Reformation) Christian writers from the 1st through 5th centuries like St. Ambrose, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others seem to have universally condemned usury and defined it as charging any interest on loans, not merely excessive or extortionate rates.
St. Ambrose of Milan (4th c.) explicitly stated the classic definition:
> “Food too is usury and clothing is usury, and **whatever is added to the capital is usury**. Whatever name you wish to put upon it, it is usury”
St. Augustine (late 4th–early 5th c.) likewise defined a usurer as anyone who expects back more than he lent :
> "If thou hast given the loan of thy money to one from whom thou dost expect to receive something more than thou hast given; not in money only, but anything... **if you expect to receive more than you have given, you are an usurer**, and in this are not deserving of praise, but of censure."
### Question
The practice of usury has had a mixed history in the Christian Church. How do modern Protestants define it, and do they still believe it is a sin? And what do they base their definition on?
For example, is usury the collection of interest at any rate on a loan? Is it the collection of excessive interest?
Avi Avraham
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