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What is the Biblical Basis that God does not know every detail of the future?
What are the Biblical arguments used by those who teach that God does not know every detail of the future? I've seen three answers as to whether God knows every detail of the future. - 1. "God knows every detail of the future, including things that He hasn't planned". 2. "God knows every detail of t...
What are the Biblical arguments used by those who teach that God does not know every detail of the future?
I've seen three answers as to whether God knows every detail of the future. -
1. "God knows every detail of the future, including things that He hasn't planned".
2. "God knows every detail of the future because He plans every detail of the future".
3. "While God could control every detail of the future, He does not, and sometimes things happen that He does not expect to happen".
A complete response should discuss all three.
**Conclusion**
I accepted Kristopher's answer as it best answered the question.
I awarded the 200 point bounty to Andrew Shanks as his answer and comments were most helpful in refining my answer, which was the goal of the bounty.
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Four-In-One God and Four-In-One Body of Christ
1. **God is four-in-one.** 2. **The Body of Christ is four-in-one.** The Father, The Son, The Spirit and You. There is no participation in God's essence/Godhead, only in His energies/economy by believers. Are these **two statements** orthodox, heterodox, or heresy? #### Possible Biblical Basis: John...
1. **God is four-in-one.**
2. **The Body of Christ is four-in-one.**
The Father, The Son, The Spirit and You.
There is no participation in God's essence/Godhead, only in His energies/economy by believers.
Are these **two statements** orthodox, heterodox, or heresy?
#### Possible Biblical Basis:
John 14:20 (NIV):
> On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.
John 14:23 (NIV):
> Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
John 17:21 (NIV):
> that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
1 Corinthians 6:19 (NIV):
> Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
Ephesians 3:17 (NIV):
> so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
Ephesians 4:4-6 (NIV):
> 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
#### Arguments For:
- https://conversantfaith.com/2025/06/12/four-in-one-witness-lee-and-trinitarian-ecclesiology/ :
> "Witness Lee’s claim that the Body of Christ is “a four-in-one organic entity” belongs within this broad and venerable stream: a distinctive, but not discordant, contribution to the tradition of Trinitarian ecclesiology."
- https://www.equip.org/articles/addressing-the-open-letters-concerns-on-the-nature-of-humanity-part-3-of-a-reassessment-of-the-local-church-movement-of-watchman-nee-and-witness-lee/ :
> "On first blush a skeptic might legitimately ask, “How could believers not partake in the Godhead if they partake in God’s life and nature?” The answer, however, becomes clear when Lee is read in his own context and allowed to define his own terms. When Lee refers to the “processed God,” he is clearly speaking about the economic Trinity. It is this Trinity that becomes in a sense “four-in-one.” There is no change in the essential or ontological Trinity (what Lee is here calling the Godhead) with the deification of believers any more than there was a change in the ontological Trinity with the incarnation of Christ. According to the LC, in the outworking of God’s economy or plan of salvation, there is a process that includes progressive steps in which God the Father is embodied in the Son in incarnation, Christ is realized as the Spirit in resurrection, and ultimately the Triune God is expressed in the glorified church; but in His essential nature or Godhead, the Lord remains forever unchanged."
#### Arguments Against:
- https://normangeisler.com/a-response-to-cri-local-church/ :
> "To illustrate the absurdity of the LC position, one final citation from Witness Lee is necessary. He wrote: “Because the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are all one with the Body of Christ, we may say that the Triune God is now the ‘four-in-one’ God. These four are the Father, the Son, the Spirit, and the Body. The Three of the Divine Trinity cannot be confused or separated, and the four-in-one also cannot be separated or confused.” (Lee , A Deeper Study, 203-204). No amount of hermeneutical gyrations can untangle this theological absurdity. Clearly, Lee does not hold the orthodox view of the Trinity which allows no creature or creatures to be one with the members of the Trinity in the same sense that the Body of Christ (the Church) is one with God. Defending such a view is both senseless and useless."
- https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/scotty-smith/trinity-no-4th-member/ :
> "You are the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, and everything in between. Hallelujah, many times over. As our God, you are Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—perfect Trinity. And you’re not looking to turn a Trio into a Quartet. We matter, but only you are the point."
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Which denomination or Bible Alone Believers teaches that Lucifer perhaps saw the "artisan" seated on the Throne?
Biblically speaking there is a majestic spirit, a created spirit, called the *"artisan"* that is seated at the Throne, that King Solomon revealed in the Book of Wisdom. >Give me Wisdom, *who sits enthroned beside you*. Don’t reject me, out of all your servants. >Give me wisdom, *that sitteth by thy...
Biblically speaking there is a majestic spirit, a created spirit, called the *"artisan"* that is seated at the Throne, that King Solomon revealed in the Book of Wisdom.
>Give me Wisdom, *who sits enthroned beside you*. Don’t reject me, out of all your servants.
>Give me wisdom, *that sitteth by thy throne*, and cast me not off from among thy children:
>Give me the Wisdom t*hat sits beside your throne*; give me a place among your children.
>Give me Wisdom, *the consort at your throne,* and do not reject me from among your children;
>Grant me Wisdom, *who sits beside your throne*, and do not exclude me from the number of your children.
>give me the wisdom *that sits by your throne*, and do not reject me from among your servants.
So many bible translation, showed the *"artisan seated on the Throne"* or seated on the Throne beside God.
We are seeing a two spirit, one a **"created spirit or the artisan"** and one which is **Eternal, Omnipotent and Omniscient Spirit**, one described in Proverbs8:22-30 as spirit that was *qanah or birthed by God*, that became His companion, not as onlooker only but a *master craftsman* during creation time.
Biblically speaking again, in the Book of Ezekiel, it is well accepted that it pointed to Lucifer, a cherub, whom God had anointed to guard the Holy Mountain.
When King Solomon, described the *"artisan"* seated on the Throne, for those who would like to post their answer, must infer that the *artisan is in the Holy Mountain of God*, and the possibility that Lucifer had a glimpse of the majestic beauty of the artisan seated on the Throne.
*How majestic is the divine beauty of the artisan?*
The artisan is *"like God",* and for CSE brilliant members here, they can easily recall the famous rebuke *"Who is like God"*. Ok lets check how majestic and holy the *artisan* is, as described in Book of Wisdom.
>1 And all such things as are hid and not foreseen, I have learned: *for wisdom, which is the worker of all things, taught me. 22 For in her is the spirit of understanding: holy, one, manifold, subtile, eloquent, active, undefiled, sure, sweet, loving that which is good, quick, which nothing hindereth, beneficent, 23 Gentle, kind, steadfast, assured, secure, having all power, overseeing all things, and containing all spirits, intelligible, pure, subtile. 24 For wisdom is more active than all active things: and reacheth everywhere by reason of her purity. 25 For she is a vapour of the power of God, and a certain pure emanation of the glory of the almighty God: and therefore no defiled thing cometh into her.*
>26 *For she is the brightness of eternal light, and the unspotted mirror of God's majesty, and the image of his goodness. 27 And being but one, she can do all things: and remaining in herself the same, she reneweth all things, and through nations conveyeth herself into holy souls, she maketh the friends of God and prophets. 28 For God loveth none but him that dwelleth with wisdom. 29 For she is more beautiful than the sun, and above all the order of the stars: being compared with the light, she is found before it. 30 For after this cometh night, but no evil can overcome wisdom.*
The above description of *spirit of created Wisdom or the artisan* is indeed like God, in all aspect of purity, holiness, power and light, all the powerful and majestic qualities of the *artisan*, is truly *"like God"* in everything.
No wonder, if indeed Lucifer saw the *artisan* in Her majesty, shining light and beauty, Lucifer would indeed dream of acquiring the spirit of Wisdom, *to become like God*, and sit on the Throne at the Holy Mountain.
But ofcourse, Lucifer dream shattered into pieces, and the fallen Lucifer, wants to fulfill his desire to sit on the Throne, not in the Holy Mountain but in the opposite or even above it, as Lucifer claimed in the Book of Isaiah, shouting the famous ***"I WILL"***.
Going back to the main topic or question, which denominations or Bible Alone Believer teaches or interpret biblically that Lucifer placed at the Holy Mountain had seen or had a glimpse of the majestic beauty and light of the *artisan* seated on the Throne?
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What are the instances in the Bible where prophesied time periods were fulfilled literally, or not literally?
The question arises whether the millennium is a literal 1000 year period, or a symbolic one. Perhaps the answer could be better ascertained if we look at other prophesied time periods, ones that were already fulfilled, and see what that shows us. Off the top of my head I can think of the several bel...
The question arises whether the millennium is a literal 1000 year period, or a symbolic one. Perhaps the answer could be better ascertained if we look at other prophesied time periods, ones that were already fulfilled, and see what that shows us. Off the top of my head I can think of the several below, all of them fulfilled literally; but I'm not sure how to research this and perhaps others might be able to contribute some other instances, whether literal or symbolic.
Here are the instances already thought of:
The dreams of Pharaoh's officials interpreted by Joseph as to occur in 3 days in Genesis 40;
The 7 years of famine in Pharaoh's dreams in Genesis 41;
Nebuchadnezzar’s dream about his insanity in
Dan. 4;
The 70 years of the Babylonian captivity as prophesied in Jeremiah 25:11-13 and 29:11;
Jesus' prophesy regarding being in the tomb 3 days in Matt. 12:40, Mark 8:41, and John 2:19;
The destruction of Jerusalem, occurring in the generation still living after Jesus' death and resurrection in Matthew 24:34.
The question is directed to any serious student of the Bible. Note that the prophesy has to have been fulfilled already (partial fulfillment is fine), in order to evaluate whether it was literal, or symbolic.
Please Note:
I am not looking for a defense or rebuttal of pre-post or a-millenialism, nor for general instances of fulfilled prophesy, but for specified time periods of future events, that were fulfilled.
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How do protestants interpret the meaning of Isaiah 43:26 to mean remind the Lord of his word. I did not get this meaning
What does Isaiah 43:26 really means. Some persons say God said we should remind him of his word but I dont get that meaning although I reviewed several versions of the Bible.
What does Isaiah 43:26 really means. Some persons say God said we should remind him of his word but I dont get that meaning although I reviewed several versions of the Bible.
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Is the 5 "I WILL" had a connection to Lucifer dream in heavenly realm?
**Lucifer had a dream, what is his dream?** Scriptures teaches, >from the fullness of the heart a mouth speaks."- Fallen Lucifer frustration can be seen, as if he was deprived of something that he wanted to become, like wanting a dream that can no longer be fulfill in the presence of God, and so, he...
**Lucifer had a dream, what is his dream?**
Scriptures teaches,
>from the fullness of the heart a mouth speaks."-
Fallen Lucifer frustration can be seen, as if he was deprived of something that he wanted to become, like wanting a dream that can no longer be fulfill in the presence of God, and so, he proudly shouted, I can do it on my own, without God.
***The Five I WILL*** is the manifestation of frustration.
>**The five “I Wills” are found in the Book of Isaiah:**
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, that didst lay low the nations!
13 And thou saidst in thy heart,
>I will ascend into heaven,
>I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
>and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north;
>14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
>I will make myself like the Most High.
>**Isaiah 14:12-14**
We know from Wisdom9:4 that the artisan is seated on the Throne beside God.
>**DRA**
Give me wisdom, that ***sitteth by thy throne***, and cast me not off from among thy children:
**Did Lucifer dream to become the *"consort/Wisdom"* of God, for him to sit beside the Throne of God, and when this did not happen, the frustration ended in rebellion and shouting the 5 I WILL?
jong ricafort
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Historical Creationism and Books
Do you know of any other books (besides those by John Sailhamer) that advocate for Historical Creationism?
Do you know of any other books (besides those by John Sailhamer) that advocate for Historical Creationism?
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Which Protestant denominations or Bible-alone churches teach that prior to his public ministry (c. 30 years old) Jesus was "Super Jesus"?
**Which Churches or denominations agree that from birth to thirty years old Jesus was "Super Jesus"?** There are no passages in the Bible of a ***"Super Jesus***", who have supernatural powers from birth, and who also displayed divine powers before he was 30 years old. St. Paul's teaching described...
**Which Churches or denominations agree that from birth to thirty years old Jesus was "Super Jesus"?**
There are no passages in the Bible of a ***"Super Jesus***", who have supernatural powers from birth, and who also displayed divine powers before he was 30 years old.
St. Paul's teaching described Jesus this way:
>**The Attitude of Christ**
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death—even death on a cross. - Ephesians 2:5-7
St. Paul teaches that Jesus emptied Himself of divine majesty and powers and took the form of a servant.
What is a servant or servanthood according to the bible?
>**Biblical Concepts of Servanthood**
>**Sacrifice:** The true currency of God's kingdom is sacrificial service to others, rather than pursuing greatness.
In fact in one incident in the Bible it would normally appear that Jesus who went to the Temple all by Himself and did not even took the time to inform His beloved Mother and Father, is in all honesty, not a good attitude.
In my own experienced conversing and exchanging Biblical ideas and studies about Jesus, most Protestant and denominations esp. the Bible Alone Believers thinks that Jesus is a "Super Jesus" even before the Holy Spirit descended upon Him.
**I am looking for Protestant and Bible Alone Believers who teach that Jesus is a *"Super Jesus"* from birth to thirty years old, even though the Bible never show Him to be that, except to have wisdom above the elders. But the Bible says he still needs to grow in wisdom again, through submission and obedience to His parents.**
>**The Boy Jesus at the Temple**
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> …51Then He went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But His mother treasured up all these things in her heart. 52And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.-Luke2:51-52
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Is Christ’s return imminent in light of current world events?
In light of ongoing global events—such as wars (e.g., the conflict involving Russia), geopolitical instability, and widespread moral and social upheaval—many Christians interpret these as signs that the “end times” are approaching. My questions are twofold: Imminence of Christ’s return: Within mains...
In light of ongoing global events—such as wars (e.g., the conflict involving Russia), geopolitical instability, and widespread moral and social upheaval—many Christians interpret these as signs that the “end times” are approaching. My questions are twofold:
Imminence of Christ’s return:
Within mainstream Christian theology, do these kinds of events meaningfully support the belief that Christ’s return is near? How have passages such as Matthew 24; Luke 21; 1 Thessalonians 5:1–6; and Revelation 6–16 traditionally been understood in relation to historical events versus recurring patterns throughout history?
Christ’s presence before the Parousia:
Is there any biblical basis for the idea that Christ is presently “walking the earth” prior to His return, possibly until all believe in Him as the Christ? How do texts like Matthew 28:20 (“I am with you always”), John 14–16 (the coming of the Holy Spirit), Acts 1:9–11, and Revelation 1:12–18 inform orthodox interpretations of Christ’s presence now versus His future, visible return?
I am seeking answers grounded in Scripture and recognized Christian interpretive traditions (e.g., patristic, Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant), rather than speculative or purely contemporary prophetic claims.
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Context for Paul and Solomon's usage of "heap burning coals on his head."
> Romans 12:20 - "On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." > > Proverbs 25:22 - "In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you." Do these two ver...
> Romans 12:20 - "On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."
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> Proverbs 25:22 - "In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head, and the LORD will reward you."
Do these two verses have the same contextual meaning or are Paul and the author of Proverbs saying different things? And what might the meaning be given their context?
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What is the Biblical Basis for considering techniques like cold reading to be prophecy?
Some modern day charismatic teachers exercise a kind of prophecy that seems very similar to non-Christian psychic readings or secular cold reading techniques. One example is [Shawn Bolz prophesying][1], compared to [Deren Brown explaining psychic readings][2]. What Biblical support do these Christia...
Some modern day charismatic teachers exercise a kind of prophecy that seems very similar to non-Christian psychic readings or secular cold reading techniques.
One example is Shawn Bolz prophesying , compared to Deren Brown explaining psychic readings .
What Biblical support do these Christians give for calling these techniques prophecy, and what Biblical support do they give for practicing them?
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*Closely Related To:*
1. https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/34214/what-is-the-biblical-basis-for-modern-day-prophets
1. https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/50899/what-is-the-biblical-basis-for-schools-of-prophecy-where-people-learn-to-pro
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Is there anyone who can answer Yes, to the question, who is like God?
Is there anyone who can answer Yes, to the question, ***who is like God***? **Archangel Michael**: *Who is like God*? **Lucifer**: No, I can't be, because I am not created in the image of God. **Jesus Christ**: Yes, I am!, I am the visible image of the invisible God. > 15**The Son is the image of th...
Is there anyone who can answer Yes, to the question, ***who is like God***?
**Archangel Michael**: *Who is like God*?
**Lucifer**: No, I can't be, because I am not created in the image of God.
**Jesus Christ**: Yes, I am!, I am the visible image of the invisible God.
> 15**The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.** 16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. - Collosians1:15-16
Is there anyone else, who can claim the ***"I am"***?
> "God became man so that man shall became gods." - Athanasius
Jesus said, you can do greater things that I am...
> 11Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me—or at least believe on account of the works themselves. ***12Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.*** 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. - John14:11-13
We know that God like Jesus as His visible image, also God created mankind, male and female in His image and likeness.
>27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Genesis1:27
But we know, God is a Spirit, how then can a man claimed the **"I am"?**
One Great Marian Saint named, St. Maximillian Kolbe was puzzled at the answer of the Lady saw by Bernadette in the known Lourdes apparition in the 19th century.
The young Bernadette asked the Lady in her vision, *who are you?*
The Lady answered, **"I am the Immaculate Conception"**
St. Kolbe was puzzled by the answer because the word **"I am"** is divine in nature and in no way can be attributed to Our Lady.
And so, if St. Michael asked again, ***who is like God?***
Can the Our Lady answered using the word ***"I am"***, can be seen, that She perfected the image and likeness of God in Her whole being, body mind and soul?
Remember, the soul can be transform into a spirit, and since God is a Spirit, and anyone who can worship the Father in spirit and truth, had reached theosis or full divinization.
*Here is the question:*
**The question is: Can Our Lady, looking at Her holiness, righteousness and transformation as written in the bible, and extra-bibilical sources, can answer YES! to the question of St. Michael?**
***"I am"* the Immaculate Conception!** somehow can be seen, as high degree of holiness, as if Mary is seen here, as quasi-incarnating the Holy Spirit, as contemplated upon by St. Kolbe. And, the RCC is being attacked and criticized for over 500 years since the Reformation, as if the Catholic Church is elevating the holiness of Mary as the fourth member of the Holy Trinity.
In closing, If Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, said the **"I am"**, is that somehow connected to why St. Gabriel bowed down to Her, and more events in Her life, leading to Her life, that can answer YES! to the question of *"Who is like God"?*
Also, the question, by Protestant esp. the Bible Alone Believers, how can Mary hear all the prayer address to Her, is She a God, to hear all those supplications?
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What is the Biblical basis for the belief that Michael is not Jesus?
Many Christians believe that the Archangel Michael is actually Jesus, most notably the Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptist preacher [Charles H. Spurgeon](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/63123/6071). We have a question asking [for the Biblical basis for this belief](https://christianity.stackexc...
Many Christians believe that the Archangel Michael is actually Jesus, most notably the Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptist preacher [Charles H. Spurgeon](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/63123/6071) .
We have a question asking [for the Biblical basis for this belief](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/26253/6071) .
This question asks: what is the Biblical basis **against** this belief, that Michael is not Jesus, but a separate angelic being?
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Biblical basis for the belief that baptism is a prerequisite for salvation
Some people believe that if you have not been baptized, you cannot be saved. Others (including myself) believe that it is merely the outward declaration of what has already happened in the heart. Given that Jesus baptized no one, and that one of the most famous conversions involved no baptism (the t...
Some people believe that if you have not been baptized, you cannot be saved. Others (including myself) believe that it is merely the outward declaration of what has already happened in the heart.
Given that Jesus baptized no one, and that one of the most famous conversions involved no baptism (the thief on the cross), what Biblical basis is used by those who believe that baptism is a prerequisite to salvation?
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Do any denominations that believe Jesus rebuked his mother believe Jesus committed a sin by violating the commandment of God to honour one's parents?
**Do any denominations that believe Jesus rebuked his mother believe Jesus committed a sin by violating the commandment of God to honour one's parents?** Looking at the posted answer here, it claimed that Jesus rebuked His beloved Mother, and worst, Jesus did it infront of a crowd. https://christian...
**Do any denominations that believe Jesus rebuked his mother believe Jesus committed a sin by violating the commandment of God to honour one's parents?**
Looking at the posted answer here, it claimed that Jesus rebuked His beloved Mother, and worst, Jesus did it infront of a crowd.
https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/112936/mary-is-a-sinner-looking-for-significant-passages-with-exegesis-to-support-the/112953#112953
The answer claimed, the following biblical passages:
>1. Matth. 12:43-50 and Mark 3:31-35, St. John Chrysostom: Mary's sin of vainglory
These passages are, in my opinion, the clearest if one wants to find a Biblical passage with a specific instance of Mary's imperfection. Quoting from Mark:
>Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone to call him. A crowald always sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you."
>"Who are my mother and brothers?" he asked.
>Then he looked at those seating in a circle around him, and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers!" Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother.
**It might not be clear precisely what Mary has done wrong here, but Jesus' response certainly has the character of a rebuke**. Apparently, she was trying to leverage her familial relationship with Jesus for some kind of gain.
>2. John 2:1-4 and John Calvin: Mary's sin of unreasonable haste
>John Calvin (contrary to your supposition in the OP) drew a similar conclusion from John 2:3-4:
>When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
>“Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”
>Calvin's commentary on John 2:4, while careful to emphasize that Mary's sin here is of a minor nature, says "she did wrong in going beyond her proper bounds."
From the above citations and interpretation, Jesus would appear to have committed the sin against the commandment of God.
>**The Commandment**:
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>**"Honor your father and your mother,**" is a foundational principle in Abrahamic religions, commanding respect, gratitude, and care for parents, extending beyond childhood obedience to include supporting them in old age and recognizing legitimate authority figures like teachers, leaders, and country, forming a basis for social order and lasting blessings like long life and prosperity. It signifies honoring God's gift of life and involves actions like obedience (when not sinful), providing for needs, praying for them, and avoiding disrespect, even when parents are difficult.
And Paul repeated the call to honor thy Mother and Father
>**Children and Parents**
1Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. **2“Honor your father and mother” (which is the first commandment with a promise),** 3“that it may go well with you and that you may have a long life on the earth.”… - Ephesians6:2
**Is Jesus guilty of committing a sin by rebuking His beloved in two occasions, one was infront of the crowd, and the other was in Wedding at Cana?**
Looking for answer from Protestant and any denominations or non-denominations who interpreted the passages cited, as a rebuke and dishonor to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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Which denominations teach that Adam saw the face of God, before the fall?
Adam was created in the original state of justice and holiness, he have a pure heart originally, a sinless creature. >The concept that Adam was created in a state of original justice and holiness is a doctrine rooted in the biblical narrative of Genesis 1-3 and supported by New Testament reflections...
Adam was created in the original state of justice and holiness, he have a pure heart originally, a sinless creature.
>The concept that Adam was created in a state of original justice and holiness is a doctrine rooted in the biblical narrative of Genesis 1-3 and supported by New Testament reflections on the image of God.
>Key Bible verses and theological points supporting this doctrine include:
Ecclesiastes 7:29: "Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions" (KJV). This verse is widely cited as direct scriptural evidence that humanity’s original condition was one of moral integrity, righteousness, and innocence.
Genesis 1:26-27, 31: God creates man in His own image and likeness and declares all of creation, including humanity, "very good." This state is interpreted as original justice—a harmonious relationship with God, oneself, and creation.
>Ephesians 4:24: While referring to the "new self" in Christ, this verse highlights the original state intended for humanity: "...put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness" (NIV). This implies that the restoration of humanity brings them back to the original holiness Adam possessed.
>Colossians 3:10: Speaks of being "renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator," referencing a return to the original righteous state.
>Genesis 2:25: "And the man and his wife were both naked, and were not ashamed." This describes a state of innocence, internal harmony, and lack of sin before the Fall.
>**Key Aspects of Original Justice:**
>Original Holiness: Friendship with God and sharing in God's own life (sanctifying grace).
>Original Justice: Harmony between Adam and Eve, inner harmony of the human person (reason, will, and desires were aligned), and harmony with creation.
>Preternatural Gifts: Freedom from sickness, suffering, and death.
>The Council of Trent (Session V, 1511) formally affirmed that Adam lost this "holiness and justice" through disobedience.
It would seems that Adam was created with a pure heart before the fall, and there's no obstacle for him to see the face of God.
**Did Adam saw the face of God before the fall?**
This question is open for Catholicism, Protestant and Christians who have a source or writings that stated, Adam had seen the face of God before the fall.
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What is the biblical basis for Mary being the ark of the new covenant?
Both Orthodox and Catholic Christians believe and affirm that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the ***ark of the new covenant***, but is there a scriptural basis for this and if so where do we see this in the Old or the New Testament?
Both Orthodox and Catholic Christians believe and affirm that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the ***ark of the new covenant***, but is there a scriptural basis for this and if so where do we see this in the Old or the New Testament?
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Mary is a sinner? Looking for significant passages with exegesis, to support the Bible Alone Believers claimed
**IMPORTANT NOTE:** The OP is not looking to justify the Immaculate Conception of Mary, rather, the OP is looking for passages, significant bible passages that explicitly prove that "Mary is a sinner", meaning Mary had committed sins. This is in no way a duplicate question as commented. If Luther, Z...
**IMPORTANT NOTE:**
The OP is not looking to justify the Immaculate Conception of Mary, rather, the OP is looking for passages, significant bible passages that explicitly prove that "Mary is a sinner", meaning Mary had committed sins. This is in no way a duplicate question as commented.
If Luther, Zwingli and Calvin who uphold the dignity of the Blessed Virgin Mary were still alive, during the proclamation of the Dogma of Immaculate Conception, I'm pretty sure, the three of them will also embraced this Truth even the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, like what they did to the Dogma of Theotokos and Perpetual Virginity.
Sad to say, the Modern Day Protestant and the Bible Alone Believers that I normally encounter in the social media, are simply drinking the shallow arguments, citing this two shallow passages.
>"All have sinned." - Romans 3:23
and
> "“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.” - Romans 3:10-12
In CSE, I've seen a lot of good exegesis, but when it comes to this two passages, they seem to become an elementary student or even a kindergarten in giving a thorough exegesis on this particular verse.
Romans 3:10-12 can easily be refuted by God Himself in Job 1:1
>There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job. And this man was blameless and upright, fearing God and shunning evil. -Job 1:1
The "All have sinned", can easily be debunk by the Doctrine of Original Sin, as the word "sinned" here pointed to "actual sin", on which no Protestant, Modern Day Protestant and all Bible Alone Believers can justify against the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Proof?
Lets simply ask them a direct question.
*What is the nature of sin committed by Mary and when?
Please cite bible passages, and you wil see that none of them can cite a single verse, and they will simple go back to Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:10-12.*
**In view of the above, I am looking for any wise Protestant and Bible Alone Believers here in CSE to cite significant verses aside from Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:1-12, to support their stance that Mary is a sinner.**
Of course, I forgot the Magnificat...
>My spirit rejoices in God my savior.."
Careful to cite this passage, as Mary claimed to be saved already in this particular passage even before Jesus offered His life on the Cross.
So, in this particular passage, the Savior of Mary is God the Father and not Jesus per se, and God the Father is outside of time, and can apply the merit of Christ in whatever ways He deemed appropriate according to His Divine Plan.
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According to the Bible, why did Jesus leave?
With ascension day coming up so quickly, I have a question: According to the Bible, why did Jesus leave? I've read some ideas but few have any actual Biblical backing. Could anyone point me in the direction of this?
With ascension day coming up so quickly, I have a question:
According to the Bible, why did Jesus leave? I've read some ideas but few have any actual Biblical backing. Could anyone point me in the direction of this?
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According to Catholicism, why did Jesus come?
This is an honest question and I would just like to know why "Jesus". "God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life." (CCC-1) Weren't we always his children and heirs? It doe...
This is an honest question and I would just like to know why "Jesus".
"God sent his Son as Redeemer and Savior. In his Son and through him, he invites men
to become, in the Holy Spirit, his adopted children and thus heirs of his blessed life." (CCC-1)
Weren't we always his children and heirs? It does not make sense that He had to send Jesus.
This is what I found in the Gospel:
Matthew 5:17
>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
But why, it does not seem like a good enough reason to be crucified for.
Luke 12:51
>Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division.
Between good and evil, God knew already who is good and who is evil. Why did he need to send Jesus to divide?
Matthew 10:34
>Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Okay, this I get to come and punish the people physically on earth, but God can do that from anywhere and have done it before. Why send Jesus to do it?
Mark 2:17
>Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.
All the prophets before him did the same thing, why send Jesus?
Luke 5:32
>I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.
All the prophets before him did the same thing, why send Jesus?
Mark 10:45
>For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.
To give His life in exchange for ours, so we might be saved. This doesn't make sense because just believing in Jesus and repenting is the same as believing in God and repenting why introduce an extra step? Why make it more complicated and divide even people more?
Luke 4:18-19
>The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
This made the most sense to me, people at that time did not understand what God wanted. God sent Jesus to explain to the people that it's not just about following rules but cultivating a relationship and that everything that you do matters. You cannot say that you are a Christian but you value money or other things more than Me. You cannot say you are Christian but there are more important things in your life than God. He sends Jesus to make the people understand what is it to believe and to be Christian. He sent Him as an example. That is what I think, and I think this scripture relates to my own thoughts. Many of the previous prophets did the same, what I don't get is why sent Jesus to do this task if John or some of the other prophets could have done it also.
Luke 19:10
>For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.
Same thoughts as Luke 4:18-19.
John 3:17
>For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Same thoughts as Luke 4:18-19.
John 6:38-40
>For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
I don't understand this.
John 9:39
>Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”
Same thoughts as Luke 4:18-19.
John 10:10
>The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
Same thoughts as Luke 4:18-19.
John 12:46
>I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
Same thoughts as Luke 4:18-19.
John 18:37
>Then Pilate said to him, “So you are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. For this purpose I was born and for this purpose I have come into the world—to bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice.”
I don't understand.
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