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What does it mean to be "in the Spirit"?
I keep coming upon the phrase **"in the Spirit"** in the NT. One search result of that phrase is here: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=%22in+the+spirit%22&t=NKJV#s=s_primary_0_1 A few examples are (NKJV): - Acts 19:21, **"Paul purposed in the Spirit"** - Romans 2:29, **"ci...
I keep coming upon the phrase **"in the Spirit"** in the NT. One search result of that phrase is here: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=%22in+the+spirit%22&t=NKJV#s=s_primary_0_1
A few examples are (NKJV):
- Acts 19:21, **"Paul purposed in the Spirit"**
- Romans 2:29, **"circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter"**
- Romans 8:9, **"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit"**
- Galatians 5:16, **"I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh"**
It's possible that the phrase has different shades of meaning depending on the verse context.
How are we to understand this phrase in a believer's life?
I am asking for an answer from the Christian community that conforms to the Nicene Creed of 381 AD. A Pentecostal/charismatic viewpoint is welcome. Also, the tenor of some of these verses indicate that one is in the Spirit or in the flesh, so answers which adhere to this duality are preferred (answers that reflect grace under law to Christ rather than adherence to OT laws for righteousness).
Steve
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What is an overview of Protestant interpretations of Paul's command to be filled with the Spirit in Ephesians 5:18-21?
The passage reads: > [Ephesians 5:18-21 NASB] 18 And do not get drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery, **but be filled with the Spirit**, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for al...
The passage reads:
> [Ephesians 5:18-21 NASB] 18 And do not get drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery, **but be filled with the Spirit**, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your hearts to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to our God and Father; 21 and subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ.
My modern-day interpretation of verse 18, *“And do not get drunk with wine, in which there is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit,”* would be this: Instead of chasing a dopamine rush or neurochemical high through alcohol, drugs, opioids, or any other addictive behavior (whether food, sex, pornography, gambling, or the like), seek to be filled with the Spirit. The one who is filled with the Spirit experiences a holy satisfaction that immeasurably surpasses alcohol, drugs, food, sex, psychedelics, or any combination of fleshly indulgences.
In other words, I see Ephesians 5:18-21 as a spiritually challenging passage because it seems to urge the Christian to pursue a deep, Spirit-filled state, a profound transformation of affections and emotions that far exceeds any earthly intoxication. I personally picture this spiritual state as vastly superior to the strongest dopamine-driven highs of substances such as alcohol, cocaine, ecstasy, methamphetamines, or any other stimulant the world offers.
Furthermore, in verses 19-21 the apostle sets forth several practices. What is not immediately clear, however, is whether these should be understood as *manifestations* (that is, consequences) of being filled with the Spirit, or rather as *means* (that is, practices that foster or open the way toward being filled).
With this in mind, I am seeking an **overview of Protestant interpretations** of Ephesians 5:18-21 concerning the lived Christian experience of being filled with the Spirit. In particular, I am asking:
- How do Protestants compare the experience of being filled with the Spirit to indulgence in alcohol, drugs, or other dopamine-releasing behaviors?
- How do Protestants understand and seek to obey Paul’s command to be filled with the Spirit?
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NOTE. You can read parallel commentaries by Biblical scholars on Ephesians 5:18 here: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/ephesians/5-18.htm
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According to Latter Day Saints, how did the Gift of the Holy Ghost operate before Christ came?
How did the Gift of the Holy Ghost operate before Christ came? In particular, I'm wondering how it operated among the ancient Jewish people, who only had the Aaronic priesthood, and therefore would not be able to give the gift of the holy ghost.
How did the Gift of the Holy Ghost operate before Christ came? In particular, I'm wondering how it operated among the ancient Jewish people, who only had the Aaronic priesthood, and therefore would not be able to give the gift of the holy ghost.
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How do non-denominational Christians reconcile their stance with the fellowship of the Holy Spirit?
Some Christians identify as non-denominational and intentionally avoid affiliating with a specific church tradition or denomination. At the same time, Scripture speaks of the “fellowship of the Holy Spirit” (e.g., 2 Corinthians 13:14) and the unity of believers in Christ. How do non-denominational C...
Some Christians identify as non-denominational and intentionally avoid affiliating with a specific church tradition or denomination. At the same time, Scripture speaks of the “fellowship of the Holy Spirit” (e.g., 2 Corinthians 13:14) and the unity of believers in Christ.
How do non-denominational Christians understand and live out this fellowship of the Holy Spirit, given their rejection of denominational structures? Do they view fellowship as primarily spiritual and individual, or do they still see it as expressed in organized gatherings with other believers?
I am particularly interested in perspectives from those who identify as non-denominational or have studied their theological approach.
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According to Baptists, are Christians who have experienced the manifestation of a spiritual gift through the Holy Spirit guaranteed to see God?
Many Christians experience the manifestation of the Holy Spirit through spiritual gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, or teaching (cf. 1 Corinthians 12). My question is: If a believer has clearly received and exercised a gift of the Holy Spirit, does this mean they are assured of inheriting et...
Many Christians experience the manifestation of the Holy Spirit through spiritual gifts such as prophecy, tongues, healing, or teaching (cf. 1 Corinthians 12).
My question is: If a believer has clearly received and exercised a gift of the Holy Spirit, does this mean they are assured of inheriting eternal life? Or is it still possible for someone to fall away despite having once been used by the Spirit in this way (cf. Matthew 7:21–23, Hebrews 6:4–6)?
I am seeking answers from a Christian theological perspective, preferably with biblical support.
Glory To The Most High
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Is there a specific term to denote an encounter with the Holy Spirit?
Encounters with God (the Father) are called *Theophanies*, encounters with Jesus are called *Christophanies*, but what about encounters with the Holy Spirit? Is there a specific term for an encounter with the third person of the Trinity? **Note**: by encounter, I mean any sort of self-authenticating...
Encounters with God (the Father) are called *Theophanies*, encounters with Jesus are called *Christophanies*, but what about encounters with the Holy Spirit? Is there a specific term for an encounter with the third person of the Trinity?
**Note**: by encounter, I mean any sort of self-authenticating experience through which a supernatural being makes its existence or presence known, obvious and clear (i.e. reveals itself) to a person.
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Related: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/86291/50422
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Did the Holy Spirit move into Jesus during and after His baptism for the first time?
The Gospels record that at Jesus’ baptism, the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove (Matthew 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32). Immediately afterward, we read that the Spirit led Him into the wilderness to be tempted (Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:12, Luke 4:1). Does this mean that the Holy Spirit en...
The Gospels record that at Jesus’ baptism, the Holy Spirit descended on Him like a dove (Matthew 3:16, Mark 1:10, Luke 3:22, John 1:32). Immediately afterward, we read that the Spirit led Him into the wilderness to be tempted (Matthew 4:1, Mark 1:12, Luke 4:1).
Does this mean that the Holy Spirit entered or moved into Jesus only at His baptism, and then guided Him into the wilderness? Or should the descent of the Spirit be understood differently, since Luke 1:35 indicates that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit and therefore already had a unique relationship with Him before baptism?
Glory To The Most High
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Did God will for the Spirit and the flesh to be in opposition from the beginning?
Galatians 5:17 says, *"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh."* This seems to suggest a deliberate opposition between the two. My question is: Was this opposition between the Spirit and the flesh part of God's original design from the begi...
Galatians 5:17 says, *"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh."* This seems to suggest a deliberate opposition between the two.
My question is:
Was this opposition between the Spirit and the flesh part of God's original design from the beginning (before the Fall), or did it come about as a result of sin? In other words, did God will for this tension to exist under His authority, or is it a result of rebellion against that authority?
I’m looking for answers from perspectives that explain how this dynamic fits into Christian theology — particularly with reference to Scripture and doctrinal traditions.
Glory To The Most High
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What is the biblical basis for praying to the Holy Spirit?
There is a [question about praying to Jesus](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/62358/what-is-the-biblical-basis-for-praying-to-jesus-as-opposed-to-praying-to-god-in) already, but I noticed there is no question about praying to the Holy Spirit. What is the biblical basis for praying to...
There is a [question about praying to Jesus](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/62358/what-is-the-biblical-basis-for-praying-to-jesus-as-opposed-to-praying-to-god-in) already, but I noticed there is no question about praying to the Holy Spirit. What is the biblical basis for praying to the third person of the trinity?
user50422
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Do Christians who view homosexuality as a sin believe that homosexuals can be freed from their sinful condition by the power of God?
It should be common sense knowledge that many Christians condemn homosexuality as a sin. The following already asked questions should be more than enough to prove the point: - [Why do some Christians believe it is moral to be a homosexual?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/381/why-do...
It should be common sense knowledge that many Christians condemn homosexuality as a sin. The following already asked questions should be more than enough to prove the point:
- [Why do some Christians believe it is moral to be a homosexual?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/381/why-do-some-christians-believe-it-is-moral-to-be-a-homosexual)
- [What is the Biblical argument that homosexual attraction is sinful by itself?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/35233/what-is-the-biblical-argument-that-homosexual-attraction-is-sinful-by-itself)
- [What is a Christian's justification for a legal prohibition of homosexual marriage?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/7598/what-is-a-christians-justification-for-a-legal-prohibition-of-homosexual-marria)
That said, I'm not sure if I've ever heard Christians who claim that homosexuality is a sin also claim that homosexuals can be freed from their (claimed) sinful condition. Logic tells me that they should expect this to be the case, in light of passages such as:
Romans 8:12-17 (ESV):
> 12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, **but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live**. 14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Galatians 5:16-24 (ESV):
> 16 But I say, **walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh**. 17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 **Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality**, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, 21 envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 **But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness**, 23 **gentleness, self-control**; against such things there is no law. 24 **And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires**.
If homosexuality is a sinful desire of the flesh, as many Christians believe, does this mean that homosexuality, as any other sin, can be reversed by the power of God, through the Holy Spirit, as the passages above seem to indicate? Is this the standard view among Christians who condemn homosexuality as a sin?
An alternative way of phrasing the question: Can God heal homosexuality (according to those who view homosexuality as a sin)?
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According to followers of the Unity Church, is the Holy Spirit seen as feminine because of being called a helper like Eve?
Unity Church often [refers][1] to the Holy Spirit in feminine terms, a view that contrasts with traditional Christian doctrine. This raises the question of whether their belief is tied to certain biblical wordings. In Genesis 2:18 (ESV), Eve is introduced with: > “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not...
Unity Church often refers to the Holy Spirit in feminine terms, a view that contrasts with traditional Christian doctrine. This raises the question of whether their belief is tied to certain biblical wordings.
In Genesis 2:18 (ESV), Eve is introduced with:
> “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.’”
In the Gospel of John, the Holy Spirit is called a helper multiple times. For example, John 14:16 (ESV) says:
> “And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever.”
Other similar references include John 14:26, 15:26, and 16:7, all using the Greek term paraklētos (translated as Helper, Comforter, or Advocate).
Is Unity Church’s feminine understanding of the Holy Spirit based on this shared role/title of “helper” between Eve and the Spirit? Or is their interpretation shaped more by metaphysical symbolism or other theological influences?
Glory To The Most High
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Which denominations/churches teach the concept of "paying the price", and what biblical passages do they use to support this idea?
Below are several excerpts from Christian websites that discuss the idea of "paying the price" in a spiritual context: > God is a God of process. The major problem with this generation is that men are not ready to **pay the price** to have spiritual power and experiences. But the truth is, if it is...
Below are several excerpts from Christian websites that discuss the idea of "paying the price" in a spiritual context:
> God is a God of process. The major problem with this generation is that men are not ready to **pay the price** to have spiritual power and experiences. But the truth is, if it is genuine, there will be **a price attached to it**. Jesus told the disciples in Luke 24:49 to tarry in Jerusalem until they were endued with power from on high. So, where did you get the version of your divine power without divine process? **Anything valuable always has a price tag**. If you see anything that is valuable, that is cheap, it is either somebody paid for it, or it is stolen. **Authentic power has a price tag**.
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> There is a **price you will have to pay** to walk in the authentic power of God. If you see a man that works in supposed power and you don’t see a price in his life, it’s false power he’s working with. The man that God will work with must **pay the price** for spiritual experiences. Specific callings and specific anointing call for specific **prices that we must constantly be paying**. May the Lord find you dependable to carry His power these last days.
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> https://spiritmeat.net/2024/06/22/22-june-2024-the-price-for-spiritual-power-and-spiritual-experiences-pay-it-mark-314/
> Every day we need to be watchful by **paying the price to buy the Spirit as the golden oil** so that we may supply the churches with the Spirit for the testimony of Jesus and be rewarded by the Lord to participate in the marriage dinner of the Lamb.
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> Our urgent need today is to gain more of the Spirit; we need to live a life of **buying** an extra portion of the Spirit to saturate our entire being.
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> Day by day we need to live such a life, a life of **paying the price** to gain the Spirit not only in our spirit but also in our soul, being saturated with the Spirit in our vessel. If we have a day when we don’t **pay the price** to gain the saturating Spirit, that is a wasted day; we do not want to have any wasted days!
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> For us to gain more of the Spirit in our soul we need to **pay a price**; we need to **pay the price** of giving up the world, dealing with the self, loving the Lord above all things, and counting all things loss for Christ.
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> Day by day we need to **pay the price** of losing our soul life and denying the things that we want to do so that we may pray more, even persevere in prayer and watch unto prayer, so that we may gain more of the Spirit.
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> If we don’t **pay the price to buy the oil today**, we will have to pay it after we are resurrected; sooner or later, we will have to **pay the price** – so why not today, why not in this age?
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> https://agodman.com/paying-price-buy-spirit-oil-vessel-word-prayer/
> The wise virgins told the foolish virgins to go buy their own oil. When the Bible speaks of the oil, it refers to the Holy Spirit. You may ask, “But, how is it possible to buy the Holy Spirit?”
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> Jesus is referring to a person having to **pay the price**, which means denying their will, obeying the Word of God, being faithful, sacrificing and keeping constant watch.
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> All those who truly want the presence of God should be aware that **there is a price to pay**. The wise virgins, certainly, **paid the price** (sacrificed) with the time they waited for the bridegroom. Surely, they prepared themselves by investing in their spiritual lives through prayer, fasts, consecration and surrender, not allowing the light of the Spirit to burn out.
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> On the other hand, there are those who aren’t willing to **pay that price**. They live according to their fleshly desires, refuse to stop living in sin, are in the church but far from God, have the lamp, which is faith, but don’t have the oil, which is the Holy Spirit.
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> https://www.universal.org/en/bispo-macedo/pay-the-price/
Is the idea of "paying the price" for greater spiritual power, anointing, or a deeper experience of God a common teaching across all Christian denominations, or is it emphasized primarily within certain groups? For example, is it widely taught that Christians must *pay a price* to receive more of the Spirit, more anointing, or greater spiritual authority? What is the biblical basis for this teaching?
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According to those who believe Jesus was the last prophet, what are Christians with the spiritual gift of prophecy supposed to be called?
Some Christians hold the view that Jesus was the final prophet in a unique or ultimate sense. However, passages like 1 Corinthians 12:10 mention that the Holy Spirit gives some believers the gift of prophecy: >"to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spir...
Some Christians hold the view that Jesus was the final prophet in a unique or ultimate sense. However, passages like 1 Corinthians 12:10 mention that the Holy Spirit gives some believers the gift of prophecy:
>"to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues..." (NIV)
If Jesus is considered the last prophet, how do those who hold that view understand the ongoing operation of prophecy in the Church? What terminology is used for individuals who exhibit this spiritual gift, if not “prophet”?
Glory To The Most High
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What's the biblical basis for praying for God's Shekinah Glory to come down?
Cory Asbury and Jaye Thomas's worship song [Shekinah](https://youtu.be/3zwrnHh0VrM) promotes this sort of prayer in its [lyrics](https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Cory-Asbury-Jaye-Thomas/Shekinah): > Lyrics of Shekinah by Cory Asbury, Jaye Thomas > > *verse* > We wait for You > We wait for You > We...
Cory Asbury and Jaye Thomas's worship song [Shekinah](https://youtu.be/3zwrnHh0VrM) promotes this sort of prayer in its [lyrics](https://www.musixmatch.com/lyrics/Cory-Asbury-Jaye-Thomas/Shekinah) :
> Lyrics of Shekinah by Cory Asbury, Jaye Thomas
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> *verse*
> We wait for You
> We wait for You
> We wait for You
> To walk in the room
> We wait for You
> We wait for you
> We wait for you
> To walk in the room
> We wait for you
> We wait for you
> We wait for you
> To walk in the room
> Here we are
> Here we are
> Standing in Your presence
> Here we are
> Standing in Your presence
> **Shekinah glory come down**
> **Shekinah glory come down**
> Here we are
> Standing in Your Presence
> Here we are
> Standing in Your Presence
> **Shekinah Glory come down**
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> *chorus*
> Release the fullness of your spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
> Release the fullness of your spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
>
> *verse*
> You move and we want more
> You speak and we want more
> You move and we want more
> We want the fullness
> You move and we want more
> You speak and we want more
> You move and we want more
> We want the fullness
>
> *chorus*
> Release the fullness of Your Spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
> Release the fullness of Your Spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
>
> *verse*
> No I can′t get enough
> Can't get enough
> Said I can′t get enough of your Presence, Presence
> I can't get enough of your presence, presence
> I can't get enough of your presence, presence
> Can′t get enough
> Can′t get enough
> You move and we want more
> You speak and we want more
> You move and we want more
> We want the fullness
>
> *chorus*
> Release the fullness of Your Spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
> Release the fullness of Your Spirit
> **Shekinah glory come**
> **Shekinah glory come**
>
> *verse*
> We want more
> We want more
> We want more
> We want more
> We want more
> We want more
> More of your spirit
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
> Given us joy
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
> Given us joy
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
> Given us joy
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
> Given us joy
>
> *outro*
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
> Given us joy
> The Lord has given us freedom
> Given us freedom
>
> Writer(s): Seth Josiah Yates, Jaye Thomas, Laura Hackett, Caleb Culver, Cory Hunter Asbury, James David Whitworth, James Robert Wells
What's the biblical basis?
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Why does the Holy Spirit seem to manifest more visibly in some churches than in others?
In some Christian traditions—such as Pentecostal or Charismatic churches—the Holy Spirit is often said to manifest through spiritual gifts like prophecy, tongues, or healing. In contrast, many other churches (such as Reformed, Baptist, or Anglican traditions) do not report such manifestations, or th...
In some Christian traditions—such as Pentecostal or Charismatic churches—the Holy Spirit is often said to manifest through spiritual gifts like prophecy, tongues, or healing. In contrast, many other churches (such as Reformed, Baptist, or Anglican traditions) do not report such manifestations, or they interpret them differently.
From a theological perspective within Christianity, how is this difference explained? Is it a matter of doctrine, spiritual openness, ecclesiology, or something else?
I'm not asking which tradition is “right,” but rather how various denominations explain the differing levels of apparent Holy Spirit activity in worship or community life.
Glory To The Most High
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According to Jehovah's Witnesses, who or what is the Holy Spirit?
Traditional Christianity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, coequal, coeternal, of the same substance, and all fully divine. The Holy Spirit is the same being referred to in the New Testament as the God's Spirit (e.g., 1 Corinthians 2:11, Ephesians 4:30) and as...
Traditional Christianity teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, coequal, coeternal, of the same substance, and all fully divine. The Holy Spirit is the same being referred to in the New Testament as the God's Spirit (e.g., 1 Corinthians 2:11, Ephesians 4:30) and as Christ's Spirit (e.g., Galatians 4:6, Philippians 1:19, 1 Peter 1:11), and in one place with both titles (Romans 8:9).
My understanding of the Jehovah's Witnesses is that they believe God the Father to be fully divine and eternal, but Jesus Christ is his first creation, gifted with semi-divinity. What do they teach about the Holy Spirit? A good answer will address, directly or by clear implication, whether or not the Holy Spirit is:
- eternal
- eternally/ontologically distinct from God the Father
- ontologically divine
- a person
- one and the same as the Spirit of Christ
A good answer will address anything else that a standard JW articulation of the doctrine of the Holy Spirit would address and will use Watchtower sources.
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Did God stop sending angels to earth after John received the vision in Revelation?
In the New Testament, particularly in the Book of Revelation, we see vivid accounts of angelic activity, including messages and visions given to John. After the completion of the canon of Scripture, especially following the Revelation of John, some traditions suggest that supernatural visitations—in...
In the New Testament, particularly in the Book of Revelation, we see vivid accounts of angelic activity, including messages and visions given to John. After the completion of the canon of Scripture, especially following the Revelation of John, some traditions suggest that supernatural visitations—including those by angels—ceased or became extremely rare.
From a theological or denominational standpoint, do Christian traditions teach that God stopped sending angels to earth after John received the vision of Revelation?
Did God figure the Holy Spirit at work in the church is enough to reveal all hidden things and perfect messenger for the new covenant, unlike in his covenant with the nation of priests of Israel where he used to send angels to people like Manoah , Mary , Daniel? Did the Holy Spirit replace the role of angels in the OT in the NT?
Glory To The Most High
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Impossible to Keep the Law?
It is often stated that it is impossible for us to Keep the Law - or at least it must be impossible without first receiving the Holy Spirit. Studying the OT closely, I keep finding scriptures that assert otherwise (like Moses’ speech in Deuteronomy 30). King Saul not only continues to sin after rece...
It is often stated that it is impossible for us to Keep the Law - or at least it must be impossible without first receiving the Holy Spirit. Studying the OT closely, I keep finding scriptures that assert otherwise (like Moses’ speech in Deuteronomy 30). King Saul not only continues to sin after receiving the HS, but sins so greatly that God revokes his Spirit from Saul! (So much for once saved always saved). And even King David - who is otherwise treated as the Gold Standard for OT Kings - commits sins that the Law demands death for after receiving the HS.
After completing another read-through of 2 Kings, I found what appears to be the perfect counter example: Josiah. After learning of the Book of the Law, Josiah re-instates the Covenant and carries out his duties to rid the land of the worship of foreign gods and other sinful practices. No fault is listed against him, and in the final analysis he is raised up even over King David:
2 Kings 23:25
> Before [Josiah] there was no king like him who turned to the Lord with all his heart, all his soul, and all his might, in conformity to all the Law of Moses; nor did any like him arise after him.
It is worth noting that not only did Josiah perfectly follow the Law, but he also did so without having been blessed with the HS as his predecessors Saul and David had been.
How do those that maintain that only Christ and/or only those that have the HS can keep the Law reconcile that with King Josiah?
Ryan Pierce Williams
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If the Holy Spirit is indivisible from the Father in 1 Corinthians 2:11, how can He be a distinct person?
1 Corinthians 2:10-11 says: >"But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God." Paul compares t...
1 Corinthians 2:10-11 says:
>"But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."
Paul compares the Spirit of God to a person's own spirit — which would imply essential unity, not distinction. In my case, my spirit is not another person; it's just me. If the Spirit of God is likewise indivisible from the Father, as Trinitarian theology also affirms, how can the Spirit still be considered a distinct person from the Father?
How do Trinitarian theologians respond to this apparent tension between indivisibility and personal distinction in the Godhead, especially in light of this verse?
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What biblical and theological principles can be applied to discern whether Jeremy Camp’s song "He Knows" is inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Jeremy Camp is a contemporary Christian artist known for music that deals with faith, suffering, and hope. His song "He Knows" contains the lyric: >All the bitter weary ways Endless striving day by day You barely have the strength to pray In the valley low And how hard your fight has been How deep t...
Jeremy Camp is a contemporary Christian artist known for music that deals with faith, suffering, and hope. His song "He Knows" contains the lyric:
>All the bitter weary ways
Endless striving day by day
You barely have the strength to pray
In the valley low
And how hard your fight has been
How deep the pain within
Wounds that no one else has seen
Hurts too much to show
All the doubt you're standing in between
And all the weight that brings you to your knees
He knows
He knows
Every hurt and every sting
He has walked the suffering
This lyric suggests that Christ understands not just our physical suffering, but also our internal struggles and doubts. The song is often described as encouraging and biblically grounded.
I’m seeking to understand what biblical and theological principles should be applied to evaluate whether such a song is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I’m not looking for personal opinions on musical style, but for scripturally grounded criteria such as alignment with biblical truth, spiritual fruit, and edification of the Church.
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