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What is the biblical basis that Noah died just before the birth of Abraham?
In its article on the decline of human life spans, [CreationWiki](http://creationwiki.org/Human_longevity) states, >Interestingly, Noah died only two years before Abraham was born. Unfortunately for readers they provide no biblical support. What is the biblical basis for this claim?
In its article on the decline of human life spans, [CreationWiki](http://creationwiki.org/Human_longevity) states,
>Interestingly, Noah died only two years before Abraham was born.
Unfortunately for readers they provide no biblical support. What is the biblical basis for this claim?
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If blood is prohibited, what about hemolymph?
Some creatures, such as locusts and oysters, have hemolymph that serves the same purpose as what we normally call blood. Do any historical sources (from early church history, for example) address whether hemolymph qualifies as lifeblood, which Genesis 9:6 and Acts 15:20, 28–29 forbids from consumpti...
Some creatures, such as locusts and oysters, have hemolymph that serves the same purpose as what we normally call blood. Do any historical sources (from early church history, for example) address whether hemolymph qualifies as lifeblood, which Genesis 9:6 and Acts 15:20, 28–29 forbids from consumption?
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Are we all descendants of Noah and his sons?
If the [Bible story of the great flood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative) is true, then unless the flood did not kill all human and animal life other than the occupants of the ark, is it Christian belief that all human cultures of the earth such as those in Mongolia, China, Sout...
If the [Bible story of the great flood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_flood_narrative) is true, then unless the flood did not kill all human and animal life other than the occupants of the ark, is it Christian belief that all human cultures of the earth such as those in Mongolia, China, Southeast Asia, India, Pakistan and the West are also descendants of Noah and his sons? Making us *all* the chosen people of God?
**How does the Christian faith reconcile this problem?**
Or are we all descendants of the [Mitochondrial Eve](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve) as genetic science has determined?
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On Inferring That the Redeemer Will Spring from the Race of Shem
We read in the book *Complete Bible History: From the Creation of the World Down to the Death of the Apostles*, page 16: > When Noe awoke, and heard what had taken place, he cursed Ham in the person of his son Chanaan who, it is thought, had shared in his father's sin, declaring that he should be th...
We read in the book *Complete Bible History: From the Creation of the World Down to the Death of the Apostles*, page 16:
> When Noe awoke, and heard what had taken place, he cursed Ham in the person of his son Chanaan who, it is thought, had shared in his father's sin, declaring that he should be the servant of servants to his brethren....
> But Sem and Japheth he blessed. Filled with the spirit of God, he [Noe] announced that from the race of Sem should spring the Redeemer, saying "Blessed be the Lord God of Sem, be Chanaan his servant."
> To Japheth he said, ``May God enlarge Japheth and may he dwell in the tents of Sem.'' This meant that the children of Japheth were to be blessed in listening to the heavenly doctrine which was to come into the world through the family of Sem.
The above paragraphs are found here: https://ia800200.us.archive.org/16/items/CompleteBibleHistory1891/CompleteBibleHistory1891.pdf
QUESTION: Can anyone explain how from the above paragraphs it may be inferred that the promised Redeemer should "spring" from the race of Shem?
Thank you.
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Death becomes her?? But in real life
I’m doing some research if you could help. Question 1 How Is living a long life (900+ years) like some of Seth’s descendants not a direct sign of divinity. I’m not super religious but the grouping I’ve been working with lately helped me come to this understanding “things that shouldn’t have happened...
I’m doing some research if you could help. Question 1 How Is living a long life (900+ years) like some of Seth’s descendants not a direct sign of divinity. I’m not super religious but the grouping I’ve been working with lately helped me come to this understanding “things that shouldn’t have happened aren’t deeply explained and aren’t harmful/negative I tend to take as a sign or divinity.” Just bc there’s already so much unknown when it comes to religion an unnatural GOOD thing I just take as divinity amongst earth. That leads me to my next question multiple descendants of Seth lived to be 900+ That’s a direct sign of divinity (to me and my grouping) so if anyone has any insight any scripture you could point me too of what lifestyle these people (descendants of Seth ppl who have lived 900+) Kept any scripture where their character is mentioned that allotted them SUCH a long life. & ultimately what could’ve happened to tarnish that family to the point Noah was the only pure blood and no one lives to be 900 anymore. I’m very open minded opinions welcomed this is less about religion as a whole more about living to be 900 how that was possible and could be possible again The Bible is interpreted a lot of ways so any feedback is welcomed
Also I did see something about the calendar being different and some don’t believe they were actually that old.. saying it’s an exaggeration in writing
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Was Noah a Prophet?
I am kinda confused about prophets. I've searched a lot, but still I can't find an appropriate answer. The Question: ## Was Noah a prophet? and if he was; ### Was Noah prophesied in the Bible or Torah?
I am kinda confused about prophets. I've searched a lot, but still I can't find an appropriate answer.
The Question:
## Was Noah a prophet?
and if he was;
### Was Noah prophesied in the Bible or Torah?
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What is the "violence" (Gen 6:11) that prompted God to bring on the Great Flood during the time of Noah?
In Gen 6:11, the narrator says, "The earth was filled with violence." It is this "violence" that moves God to plan the Great Flood. [![enter image description here][1]][1] The 2014 movie, "Noah," dramatizes this violence. First, in the urban debris (trash) that pollutes the earth and the rivers. Sec...
In Gen 6:11, the narrator says, "The earth was filled with violence." It is this "violence" that moves God to plan the Great Flood.
The 2014 movie, "Noah," dramatizes this violence. First, in the urban debris (trash) that pollutes the earth and the rivers. Second, the city dwellers are killing and eating animals and birds.
Meanwhile, Noah and his family strive to safeguard the natural environment and they are vegans.
To what degree does the film's portrait of "violence" find confirmation in the text of Genesis? To what degree are the movie makers distorting Genesis in order to falsely portray God and Noah as advocates of a "green agenda"?

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Where did Noah find polar bears and penguins in Palestine, according to those who accept a global flood?
According to Christians who accept a literal global flood, how could animals accustomed to thriving in extreme temperatures be found in a common place for preservation aboard the ark?
According to Christians who accept a literal global flood, how could animals accustomed to thriving in extreme temperatures be found in a common place for preservation aboard the ark?
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Was it on the basis of the devastation of the flood that man was allowed animal flesh?
Genesis 9:3 NASB >***3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant***. In the narrative in Genesis 9 after the flood man is allowed to eat animal flesh. Some (SDA) have claimed that the giving of the flesh was due to the devastati...
Genesis 9:3 NASB
>***3 Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant***.
In the narrative in Genesis 9 after the flood man is allowed to eat animal flesh. Some (SDA) have claimed that the giving of the flesh was due to the devastation of the flood which had destroyed all green herbs (MH:311).
But just before Noah had disembarked from the ark he had let out a dove which had brought a green olive leaf.
Genesis 9:11 NASB:
>***11 And the dove came to him in [g]the evening, and behold, in its [h]beak was a fresh olive leaf***.
The olive leaf was proof enough that green herbs were already growing out there which would have provided food for Noah and his family.
Was it on the basis of the flood that man was allowed to eat animal flesh?
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According to SDA understanding did Methuselah preach just before the flood?
According to one comment from EGW (SDA) in Genesis 6 she lumps Methuselah and Noah together as having preached to the people prior to the flood. Here is the following quote from EGW on her comment on Genesis 6 below: "(1 Peter 3:18-21) God preached through Methuselah Noah and others-God granted them...
According to one comment from EGW (SDA) in Genesis 6 she lumps Methuselah and Noah together as having preached to the people prior to the flood.
Here is the following quote from EGW on her comment on Genesis 6 below:
"(1 Peter 3:18-21) God preached through Methuselah Noah and others-God granted them one hundred and twenty years of probation,and during that time preached to them through Methuselah,Noah and many others of his servants.Had they listened to the testimony of these faithful witnesses,had they repented and returned to their loyalty,God would not have destroyed them(The Review and Herald,April 23,1901)(1 BC 1088.4)"
But according to the narrative in the previous chapter(Genesis 5) we are only told of Methuselah's genealogy and nothing else
Genesis 5:21-27 ESV
>21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. 22 Enoch walked with God[b] after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not,[c] for God took him.25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he fathered Lamech. 26 Methuselah lived after he fathered Lamech 782 years and had other sons and daughters. 27 Thus all the days of Methuselah were 969 years, and he died.
Looking up the genealogy of Methuselah, its clear that when Noah was building the ark Methuselah was still alive.There is no record of Methuselah building the ark with Noah or warning people about the coming disaster.
So what is the basis for believing that Methuselah was also a preacher like Noah?
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Was Noah and/or his family fully or partially descendant from Cain?
The patrilineal lineage of Noah is, according to Genesis, descendant from Seth. However, Genesis doesn't mention anything about the wives of those fathers, nor does it mention anything about the lineage of Noah's wife and his sons' wives. According to Genesis, Cain is the forefather of tent-dwelling...
The patrilineal lineage of Noah is, according to Genesis, descendant from Seth. However, Genesis doesn't mention anything about the wives of those fathers, nor does it mention anything about the lineage of Noah's wife and his sons' wives.
According to Genesis, Cain is the forefather of tent-dwelling pastoralists (nomadic herders?), lyre/pipe players and bronze and iron smiths. Some also say that the descendants of Cain account for the sin and evil found in humanity. However, for this to have been passed along, some of Cain's descendants must have survived the flood. According to my understanding of the scripture, the only breathing survivors of the flood were those present on the Ark. So, does this mean that Noah and/or his family had some level of descendance from Cain? Or, did descendants from Cain possibly survive the flood somehow, without being saved by the Ark?
Something that may be relevant to this is the fact that there are two pairs of name-brothers in Cain and Seth's lineages; Enoch and Lamech.
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Why was Ham cursed for seeing his father naked?
In Genesis 9:22-25, Ham's son Canaan was cursed because Ham saw his father (Noah) naked. The punishment seems excessive indicating there is more to the passage than meets the eye. What did Ham do to cause Noah to curse his son, Canaan?
In Genesis 9:22-25, Ham's son Canaan was cursed because Ham saw his father (Noah) naked. The punishment seems excessive indicating there is more to the passage than meets the eye.
What did Ham do to cause Noah to curse his son, Canaan?
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Can Christians still eat meat with blood in it?
These are the verses in question that prohibits eating meat with blood in it: > "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And > for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand > an accounting from every animal."- **Genesis 9:4-5**. > > "‘Suppose someone ea...
These are the verses in question that prohibits eating meat with blood in it:
> "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And
> for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
> an accounting from every animal."- **Genesis 9:4-5**.
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> "‘Suppose someone eats meat that still has blood in it. It does not
> matter whether they are an Israelite or an outsider. I will turn
> against them if they eat it. I will separate them from their people."-
> **Leviticus 17:10**.
Is this just an OT ceremonial law or something else?
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How do Covenant Theologians explain the Noahic covenant?
In Covenant Theology, the Covenant of Grace is a singular overarching covenant God makes with his people. The various Biblical covenants are understood to be expressions or administrations of this singular Covenant of Grace. Here's what the Westminster Confession says about the Covenant of Grace: >...
In Covenant Theology, the Covenant of Grace is a singular overarching covenant God makes with his people. The various Biblical covenants are understood to be expressions or administrations of this singular Covenant of Grace.
Here's what the Westminster Confession says about the Covenant of Grace:
> Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace; wherein He freely offers **unto sinners** life and salvation by Jesus Christ; requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved, and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto eternal life His Holy Spirit, to make them willing, and able to believe.
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> This covenant of grace is frequently set forth in scripture by the name of a testament, in reference to the death of Jesus Christ the Testator, and to the everlasting inheritance, with all things belonging to it, therein bequeathed.
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> This covenant was differently administered in the time of the law, and in the time of the Gospel: under the law it was administered by promises, prophecies, sacrifices, circumcision, the paschal lamb, and other types and ordinances delivered to the people of the Jews, all foresignifying Christ to come; which were, for that time, sufficient and efficacious, through the operation of the Spirit, to instruct and build up the elect in faith in the promised Messiah, by whom they had full remission of sins, and eternal salvation; and is called the Old Testament. (WCF 7.3–5)
Here's what Horton says:
> Like the covenant of creation, this covenant is made between God and **human partners**—in this case, fallen Adam, Seth, Abraham, and David. It is in this covenant that provisions are made for offenders, based on another's fulfillment of the legal covenant on their behalf. (*Introducing Covenant Theology*, p105)
So the Covenant of Grace is between God and all of his people, anyone who will receive in repentance the offer of free grace and turn to God in faith.
But the parties of the Noahic covenant appear to be different, not just humans, but all life of the earth:
> Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him, “Behold, I establish my covenant with you and your offspring after you, **and with every living creature that is with you, the birds, the livestock, and every beast of the earth with you, as many as came out of the ark; it is for every beast of the earth.** I establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood, and never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.” And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant that I make between me and you **and every living creature that is with you,** for all future generations: I have set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth. When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, I will remember my covenant that is between me and you **and every living creature of all flesh.** And the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. When the bow is in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God **and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth**.” God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant that I have established between me **and all flesh that is on the earth**.” (Gen 9:8–17, ESV)
My reading of this passage is that the Noahic covenant is a unique one, when God bound himself to a covenant not just with people, but with his animal creations as well. Let no one say God does not love his animals!
How do Covenant Theologians explain the Noahic covenant? If all the Biblical covenants are administrations of the Covenant of Grace, how do they account for the different covenant parties? Surely they would not say that the non-human animals are part of the CoG; Jesus did not die for the sins of animals. Do Covenant Theologians say that the Noahic covenant is really only with humans, that the parties are God and humanity with animals being non-party beneficiaries, despite God five times saying that it was with "every living creature" or "all flesh"?
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Repetition of "and he begat sons and daughters:"
While reading Genesis 5, we can read the development of human race from Adam to Noah, bridging the gap between the two. During that passage, there's an expression mentioned often > (...) and he begat sons and daughters: What's the purpose of such repetition?
While reading Genesis 5, we can read the development of human race from Adam to Noah, bridging the gap between the two.
During that passage, there's an expression mentioned often
> (...) and he begat sons and daughters:
What's the purpose of such repetition?
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Understanding of "clean" and "unclean" animals before dietary laws
In Genesis 7:2 we read > Of every clean beast thou shall take... Up until this point God never revealed the basis for His distinction between clean and unclean animals. Does it mean the understanding of clean and unclean animals is common / written in our hearts?
In Genesis 7:2 we read
> Of every clean beast thou shall take...
Up until this point God never revealed the basis for His distinction between clean and unclean animals.
Does it mean the understanding of clean and unclean animals is common / written in our hearts?
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What is the significance of Noah, after the flood, getting drunk and cursing his son who saw him Naked?
A strange passage in the beginning of Genesis contains the account of Noah who, after surviving the flood, planted a vineyard and made wine. After he drank the wine and became drunk one of his sons (Ham) sees him naked, tells his two brothers about it and they cover Noah up. After Noah wakes up he f...
A strange passage in the beginning of Genesis contains the account of Noah who, after surviving the flood, planted a vineyard and made wine. After he drank the wine and became drunk one of his sons (Ham) sees him naked, tells his two brothers about it and they cover Noah up. After Noah wakes up he figures out what has gone on while he is asleep and curses Ham and his descendants.
Here is the passage: Genesis 9:20-27 (KJV)
> **20** And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: **21** And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. **22** And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. **23** And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. **24** And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. **25** And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. **26** And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. **27** God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
What is meaning/significance of this passage? I have heard that it was used to justify slavery in the 17th and 18th century. I suspect that the Israelites used it to justify their invasion of Canaan in ancient times.
Is there not a better, more spiritual or redemptive interpretation on this passage?
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Why when all are separated by mans sin was Noah chosen?
Why, if all are separated from God because of Adam's sin, did God choose Noah? Why be merciful to Noah's descendants if all are separated by sin?
Why, if all are separated from God because of Adam's sin, did God choose Noah? Why be merciful to Noah's descendants if all are separated by sin?
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How many of each species went onto the Ark?
*"The animals went in two-by-two, hurrah, hurrah!"* - we're taught this nursery rhyme from a young age, and go throughout life believing that one male, and one female of each species was present on the Ark in order to re-populate the world after the flood. > **Genesis 6:19** - "You are to bring into...
*"The animals went in two-by-two, hurrah, hurrah!"* - we're taught this nursery rhyme from a young age, and go throughout life believing that one male, and one female of each species was present on the Ark in order to re-populate the world after the flood.
> **Genesis 6:19** - "You are to bring into the ark two of all living
> creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. **20** Two of
> every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of
> creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept
> alive."
> **Genesis 7:2** -"Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal,
> a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a
> male and its mate, **3** and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male
> and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth."
I find the verses above somewhat confusing with regards to how many of each species would have been present on the Ark. How do people who take the Ark narrative literally interpret this?
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What is the relationship between Gabriel and Noah in LDS/Mormon teaching?
In the summary of Noah on the [lds.org][1] site, it states that Joseph Smith taught that Noah is, in fact, the angel Gabriel. How exactly is this believed to have progressed? Did Noah exist as an angel first and then become a man? Or did Noah eventually become an angel? If he became an angel, does t...
In the summary of Noah on the lds.org site, it states that Joseph Smith taught that Noah is, in fact, the angel Gabriel. How exactly is this believed to have progressed?
Did Noah exist as an angel first and then become a man? Or did Noah eventually become an angel? If he became an angel, does that mean he did not attain godhood?
Is it a common believe that men become angels or angels become men?
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