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How much of Ethiopian Enoch is in the DSS?
I found [the abridged Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea scrolls](https://www.academia.edu/36950542/the_abridged_Book_of_Enoch_from_the_Dead_Sea_scrolls). Which says at the end "Here endeth the original Book of Enoch the Prophet translated from the Aramaic and Greek". It is 23 pages long. Ethiopian Eno...
I found [the abridged Book of Enoch from the Dead Sea scrolls](https://www.academia.edu/36950542/the_abridged_Book_of_Enoch_from_the_Dead_Sea_scrolls) .
Which says at the end "Here endeth the original Book of Enoch the Prophet translated from the Aramaic and Greek". It is 23 pages long. Ethiopian Enoch is over 100 pages long. So is that the parts of 1 Enoch in the DSS?
Edit: Ethiopian Enoch RH Charles version is 70 pages long with no commentary.
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What internal evidence do you have to say that 1 Enoch is pseudepigrapha?
For Christians who believe 1 Enoch is pseudepigrapha what internal evidence do you have? A professor saying "trust me bro I'm a professor" is not evidence. In other words, for Christians who believe that 1 Enoch was first written 300 BC, and then deliberately deceptively backdated to make it look li...
For Christians who believe 1 Enoch is pseudepigrapha what internal evidence do you have? A professor saying "trust me bro I'm a professor" is not evidence. In other words, for Christians who believe that 1 Enoch was first written 300 BC, and then deliberately deceptively backdated to make it look like it was written by Enoch 7th generation from Adam before Noah's flood -- as that is what internal authorship claims -- what evidence do you have of this?
In case someone does not know what pseudepigrapha means, here's the [origin and history of *pseudepigrapha*](https://www.etymonline.com/word/pseudepigrapha) from the *etymonline* website:
> **pseudepigrapha**(n.)
"books or writings of false authorship," 1620s (implied in *pseudepigraphical*), especially of spurious writing professing to be Biblical in character and inspired in authorship, from Modern Latin use of Greek neuter plural of *pseudepigraphos* "with false title," from *pseudos* "a lie" (see [pseudo-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/pseudo-)) + *epigraphē "a writing" (see [epigraph](https://www.etymonline.com/word/epigraph)) . **Note**: I mean what internal evidence in 1 Enoch do you have that it was first written 300 BC, and not pre-flood by Enoch 7th from Adam? I know a lot of people like to refer to authority figures, and majority to get their opinions, but for this question I am asking for *internal evidence*. Actually you can use evidence from archaeological writings/inscriptions from the Ancient Near East to argue against it if you want, e.g. the Dead Sea Scrolls.
"books or writings of false authorship," 1620s (implied in *pseudepigraphical*), especially of spurious writing professing to be Biblical in character and inspired in authorship, from Modern Latin use of Greek neuter plural of *pseudepigraphos* "with false title," from *pseudos* "a lie" (see [pseudo-](https://www.etymonline.com/word/pseudo-)) + *epigraphē "a writing" (see [epigraph](https://www.etymonline.com/word/epigraph)) . **Note**: I mean what internal evidence in 1 Enoch do you have that it was first written 300 BC, and not pre-flood by Enoch 7th from Adam? I know a lot of people like to refer to authority figures, and majority to get their opinions, but for this question I am asking for *internal evidence*. Actually you can use evidence from archaeological writings/inscriptions from the Ancient Near East to argue against it if you want, e.g. the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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What will Elijah's and Enoch's preaching look like?
Before Antichrist, Elias and Enoch will preach for 1,260 days: [Apoc. 11:3][1]: >And I will give unto my two witnesses [Elias and Enoch], and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth What exactly will their preaching look like, according to Catholic commentators? W...
Before Antichrist, Elias and Enoch will preach for 1,260 days:
Apoc. 11:3 :
>And I will give unto my two witnesses [Elias and Enoch], and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred sixty days, clothed in sackcloth
What exactly will their preaching look like, according to Catholic commentators? Will it involve modern communication technologies like the internet, radio communication, etc.? Or will it be strictly word-of-mouth preaching?
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What was the language that Enoch spoke and did the Book of Enoch get written 3000 years BC is there any proof or carbon dating of that?
I would like to know if the Book of Enoch was dated around 3000 BC and what language did he speak and is there any carbon dating that was use on any book found? And where are the oldest Scripture of his writings kept?
I would like to know if the Book of Enoch was dated around 3000 BC and what language did he speak and is there any carbon dating that was use on any book found? And where are the oldest Scripture of his writings kept?
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Why do the Gospels not mention the name of Enoch?
I use the NRSVCE of the Bible. We read in Gen 5:24 : > Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him We also read in Heb 11:5 : > By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death, and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was take...
I use the NRSVCE of the Bible.
We read in Gen 5:24 : > Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him We also read in Heb 11:5 : > By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death, and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” Now, the name of Elijah, who was also spared from death, appears in the Gospels a number of times. But, neither Jesus nor the Evangelists mention the name of Enoch, nor project him as a role mode of righteousness. My question therefore is: **According to Catholic scholars, why do the Gospels not mention the name of Enoch?**
We read in Gen 5:24 : > Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him We also read in Heb 11:5 : > By faith Enoch was taken so that he did not experience death, and “he was not found, because God had taken him.” For it was attested before he was taken away that “he had pleased God.” Now, the name of Elijah, who was also spared from death, appears in the Gospels a number of times. But, neither Jesus nor the Evangelists mention the name of Enoch, nor project him as a role mode of righteousness. My question therefore is: **According to Catholic scholars, why do the Gospels not mention the name of Enoch?**
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Should the Book of Enoch be included in modern Bibles?
Given that Enoch is well respected by the authors of the Bible, do you believe that the Book should be included in modern Bibles? I believe it should because it is scripture based and backs up and makes sense of text in the Old Testament and New Testament. If you believe that Enoch should not be inc...
Given that Enoch is well respected by the authors of the Bible, do you believe that the Book should be included in modern Bibles? I believe it should because it is scripture based and backs up and makes sense of text in the Old Testament and New Testament. If you believe that Enoch should not be included and was right to be left out of the Bible, please state the objects with supporting evidence, please. Thank you.
As an example, I post information on Azazel who is Lucifer and is mentioned in Enoch and Leviticus.
Source: [Was Azazel Lucifer (Quora)](https://www.quora.com/Was-Azazel-Lucifer)
Azazel wasn’t Lucifer… he IS Lucifer.
“And the whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azâzêl: to him ascribe all sin.”
Book of Enoch, Chapter 10 Verse 9
If you do a degree of research into this subject, you will come to learn some startling things. Example, in the original oral tradition of the Quran, Iblis, the Arabic name for Lucifer, was originally known as Azazel.
The name means “The Left Hand of God” as he is the counter-part of the “Right Hand of God” (Yeshuah aka Jesus Christ). In some translations of the Book of Leviticus, it speaks of Aaron sacrificing two goats. One is to Jehovah and the other is to Azazel. The modern translations change Azazel to “scapegoat”. The Templar Knights secretly worshiped a goat-headed demon known as Baphomet - this is yet another name for Azazel. He is known by many names such as, Samyaza, Samael, Asrael, Moloch, Satan, Lucifer, etc.
Now for the Old Testament. Specifically, Leviticus 16 using the Complete Jewish Bible translation.
Leviticus 16 Complete Jewish Bible
Parashah 29: Acharei Mot (After the death) 16:1–18:30
[In regular years read with Parashah 30, in leap years read separately]
16 Adonai spoke with Moshe after the death of Aharon’s two sons, when they tried to sacrifice before Adonai and died; 2 Adonai said to Moshe, “Tell your brother Aharon not to come at just any time into the Holy Place beyond the curtain, in front of the ark-cover which is on the ark, so that he will not die; because I appear in the cloud over the ark-cover.
3 “Here is how Aharon is to enter the Holy Place: with a young bull as a sin offering and a ram as a burnt offering. 4 He is to put on the holy linen tunic, have the linen shorts next to his bare flesh, have the linen sash wrapped around him, and be wearing the linen turban — they are the holy garments. He is to bathe his body in water and put them on.
5 “He is to take from the community of the people of Isra’el two male goats for a sin offering and one ram for a burnt offering. 6 Aharon is to present the bull for the sin offering which is for himself and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 He is to take the two goats and place them before Adonai at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 Then Aharon is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for Adonai and the other for ‘Az’azel. 9 Aharon is to present the goat whose lot fell to Adonai and offer it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat whose lot fell to ‘Az’azel is to be presented alive to Adonai to be used for making atonement over it by sending it away into the desert for ‘Az’azel.
11 “Aharon is to present the bull of the sin offering for himself; he will make atonement for himself and his household; he is to slaughter the bull of the sin offering which is for himself. 12 He is to take a censer full of burning coals from the altar before Adonai and, with his hands full of ground, fragrant incense, bring it inside the curtain. 13 He is to put the incense on the fire before Adonai, so that the cloud from the incense will cover the ark-cover which is over the testimony, in order that he not die. 14 He is to take some of the bull’s blood and sprinkle it with his finger on the ark-cover toward the east; and in front of the ark-cover he is to sprinkle some of the blood with his finger seven times.
15 “Next, he is to slaughter the goat of the sin offering which is for the people, bring its blood inside the curtain and do with its blood as he did with the bull’s blood, sprinkling it on the ark-cover and in front of the ark-cover. 16 He will make atonement for the Holy Place because of the uncleannesses of the people of Isra’el and because of their transgressions — all their sins; and he is to do the same for the tent of meeting which is there with them right in the middle of their uncleannesses. 17 No one is to be present in the tent of meeting from the time he enters the Holy Place to make atonement until the time he comes out, having made atonement for himself, for his household and for the entire community of Isra’el. (LY: ii) 18 Then he is to go out to the altar that is before Adonai and make atonement for it; he is to take some of the bull’s blood and some of the goat’s blood and put it on all the horns of the altar. 19 He is to sprinkle some of the blood on it with his finger seven times, thus purifying it and setting it apart from the uncleannesses of the people of Isra’el.
20 “When he has finished atoning for the Holy Place, the tent of meeting and the altar, he is to present the live goat. 21 Aharon is to lay both his hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the transgressions, crimes and sins of the people of Isra’el; he is to put them on the head of the goat and then send it away into the desert with a man appointed for the purpose. 22 The goat will bear all their transgressions away to some isolated place, and he is to let the goat go in the desert.
23 “Aharon is to go back into the tent of meeting, where he is to remove the linen garments he put on when he entered the Holy Place, and he is to leave them there. 24 Then he is to bathe his body in water in a holy place, put on his other clothes, come out and offer his burnt offering and the burnt offering of the people, thus making atonement for himself and for the people. (RY: ii, LY: iii) 25 He is to make the fat of the sin offering go up in smoke on the altar.
26 “The man who let go the goat for ‘Az’azel is to wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; afterwards, he may return to the camp.
27 “The bull for the sin offering and the goat for the sin offering, whose blood was brought in to make atonement in the Holy Place, is to be carried outside the camp; there they are to burn up completely their hides, meat and dung. 28 The person burning them is to wash his clothes and bathe his body in water; afterwards, he may return to the camp.
29 “It is to be a permanent regulation for you that on the tenth day of the seventh month you are to deny yourselves and not do any kind of work, both the citizen and the foreigner living with you. 30 For on this day, atonement will be made for you to purify you; you will be clean before Adonai from all your sins. 31 It is a Shabbat of complete rest for you, and you are to deny yourselves.
“This is a permanent regulation. 32 The cohen anointed and consecrated to be cohen in his father’s place will make the atonement; he will put on the linen garments, the holy garments; 33 he will make atonement for the Especially Holy Place; he will make atonement for the tent of meeting and the altar; and he will make atonement for the cohanim and for all the people of the community. 34 This is a permanent regulation for you, to make atonement for the people of Isra’el because of all their sins once a year.” Moshe did as Adonai had ordered him.
Source: https://www.christianity.com/wiki/angels-and-demons/who-was-azazel.html
What Do We Know about Azazel from the Apocrypha?
In the Apocrypha, Azazel is a leader of rebellious angels, as seen in the Book of Enoch. He leads the pre-Flood civilizations of men, giants (perhaps Nephilim), in all matters of warfare and witchcraft.
Once beautiful, and now a fallen serpent or carrion bird, Azazel, according to Hebraic literature, tried to corrupt humanity. Most Jewish literature describes him as having a red appearance, like a demon, with yellow eyes and wearing goat skulls.
It also appears that, according to Jewish mythology, Azazel led the charge in having sexual relations with mortal women and having half-divine, half-human children known as the Nephilim.
What’s interesting about Azazel is that he has corrupted humanity so much that Jewish literature encourages readers and listeners to ascribe all sin onto him. In other words, scapegoat him. Place your sins on him, as you did with the goat before driving it out into the desert.
So, the next question is "What does the Bible say about the Nephilim?
Genesis 6:1-6 Complete Jewish Bible
6 In time, when men began to multiply on earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Adonai said, “My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years.” 4 The N’filim were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; these were the ancient heroes, men of renown.
(Maftir) 5 Adonai saw that the people on earth were very wicked, that all the imaginings of their hearts were always of evil only. 6 Adonai regretted that he had made humankind on the earth; it grieved his heart.
And, also:
Numbers 13:33 Complete Jewish Bible
33 We saw the N’filim, the descendants of ‘Anak, who was from the N’filim; to ourselves we looked like grasshoppers by comparison, and we looked that way to them too!”
Thus, we can see that The Book of Enoch should have been included in the Bible, as it contains missing information that backs up Bible scripture and helps us to have more understanding of those scriptures, and the origins of our advances and also our sins.
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What is the Catholic view of the Book of Enoch?
While doing research for an assignment into the history of the *Book of Enoch*, I was able to get a Protestant view from this source: https://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html The article says that no scholars believe the *Book of Enoch* to have truly been written by Enoch, the son of Jared (G...
While doing research for an assignment into the history of the *Book of Enoch*, I was able to get a Protestant view from this source: https://www.gotquestions.org/book-of-Enoch.html
The article says that no scholars believe the *Book of Enoch* to have truly been written by Enoch, the son of Jared (Genesis 5:18) and the great-grandfather of Noah. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24).
I also found a Wikipedia article that suggested the *Book of Enoch* was written by the Patriarch Enoch of *Genesis*. However, it did concede that:
>It is not part of the biblical canon used by Jews, apart from Beta Israel (Ethiopian Jews). While the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church consider the Book of Enoch as canonical, other Christian groups regard it as non-canonical or non-inspired, but may accept it as having some historical or theological interest. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch
I am less concerned with why the *Book of Enoch* is not regarded as canonical as I am with trying to find out the history and the origins of this book. In particular, I would like to find out what the Catholic Church has to say about the *Book of Enoch* because of this quote from Wikipedia:
>The *Book of Enoch* was considered as scripture in the Epistle of Barnabas (16:4) and by many of the early Church Fathers, such as... Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus and Tertullian, who wrote c. 200 that the *Book of Enoch* had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch#Christianity
What is the history behind the *Book of Enoch* and what is the Catholic view of the *Book of Enoch*?
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Was Noah and/or his family fully or partially descendant from Cain?
The patrilineal lineage of Noah is, according to Genesis, descendant from Seth. However, Genesis doesn't mention anything about the wives of those fathers, nor does it mention anything about the lineage of Noah's wife and his sons' wives. According to Genesis, Cain is the forefather of tent-dwelling...
The patrilineal lineage of Noah is, according to Genesis, descendant from Seth. However, Genesis doesn't mention anything about the wives of those fathers, nor does it mention anything about the lineage of Noah's wife and his sons' wives.
According to Genesis, Cain is the forefather of tent-dwelling pastoralists (nomadic herders?), lyre/pipe players and bronze and iron smiths. Some also say that the descendants of Cain account for the sin and evil found in humanity. However, for this to have been passed along, some of Cain's descendants must have survived the flood. According to my understanding of the scripture, the only breathing survivors of the flood were those present on the Ark. So, does this mean that Noah and/or his family had some level of descendance from Cain? Or, did descendants from Cain possibly survive the flood somehow, without being saved by the Ark?
Something that may be relevant to this is the fact that there are two pairs of name-brothers in Cain and Seth's lineages; Enoch and Lamech.
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Is Metatron actually part of Catholic dogma?
[Metatron](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron) is believed by some to be Enoch transformed into an angel. [Some time ago on chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1167?m=1742355#1742355) someone said that he is part of official Catholic dogma. However, I couldn't really confirm this with...
[Metatron](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron) is believed by some to be Enoch transformed into an angel. [Some time ago on chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/1167?m=1742355#1742355) someone said that he is part of official Catholic dogma. However, I couldn't really confirm this with a cursory Google search as I keep running into stuff talking about *Jewish* beliefs. Thus, I'm wondering just how official Metatron is within Catholicism?
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Were all Nephilim evil?
The Bible speaks of the Nephilim as the offspring of the “sons of God and daughters of men” in books such as: Genesis, Enoch, and a couple others. It does explain that they bred from evil beings, but it doesn’t specify if they themselves were evil or not, and even if they were supposed to be “evil”....
The Bible speaks of the Nephilim as the offspring of the “sons of God and daughters of men” in books such as: Genesis, Enoch, and a couple others. It does explain that they bred from evil beings, but it doesn’t specify if they themselves were evil or not, and even if they were supposed to be “evil”.
Were they **all** evil?
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Was Enoch sinless?
I find this wording interesting in [Genesis 5:24 (NIV)][1] (my emphasis) > Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, **because God took him away.** To me, this means God took Enoch to heaven. So, because [sinful mortals can't be around God][2] does this imply that Enoch was sinless? [1]...
I find this wording interesting in Genesis 5:24 (NIV) (my emphasis)
> Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, **because God took him away.**
To me, this means God took Enoch to heaven. So, because sinful mortals can't be around God does this imply that Enoch was sinless?
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Who is Enoch's mother? How is Enoch born?
Adam and Eve had two children Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel. There is no knowledge about a female companion for Cain(male) in the Bible. Genesis 4:17 Cain had a son Enoch. Who is Enoch's mother? How is Enoch born?
Adam and Eve had two children Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel.
There is no knowledge about a female companion for Cain(male) in the Bible.
Genesis 4:17 Cain had a son Enoch.
Who is Enoch's mother? How is Enoch born?
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Did the early church believe there were TWO types of descendant from the Nephalim?
The Bible quotes from earlier Books like the Book of Adam & Eve, Book of Seth, Book of Jashur etc; Rabboni Yeshua (Our Lord) read these books too and taught them to the early church without remittance, so we can assume that these books are safe for divine council today and that they will confirm or...
The Bible quotes from earlier Books like the Book of Adam & Eve, Book of Seth, Book of Jashur etc; Rabboni Yeshua (Our Lord) read these books too and taught them to the early church without remittance, so we can assume that these books are safe for divine council today and that they will confirm or expound what the Holy Bible informs. So I hope this will be classed as a Christian question and not sanctioned in anyway.
In an early Jewish text (I'm still trying to find it) apparently, two angels are discussing historical and future events. They refer to the giants as "Elephants" (who were wiped out in the deluge) and another "race" as "donkeys". These donkeys where other descendants of Nephalim who were normal human size but had superior intelligence. These apparently are still with us today.
Can you tell me the name of this book? Was someone in Noah's Ark a hybrid? How did giants reappear later if they were exterminated in the flood unless a high science brought them back? or does the bible just not tell us about other expeditions by other pre-flood people who too might have escaped the flood?
**I apologize if my question is not clear, I'm fuzzy minded and this is the first time I have used this site and I've just woken up. Good Morning everyone. **
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Indications that Enoch and Elijah have never gone to Abraham's bosom?
In the Old Testament we can see at least two people that didn't seem to ever die: Enoch (Gen. 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11). The Scriptures say that the first one was taken by God, and the second one was taken to the heaven by a whirlwind. Besides this, are there any indications in the Bible that...
In the Old Testament we can see at least two people that didn't seem to ever die: Enoch (Gen. 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11). The Scriptures say that the first one was taken by God, and the second one was taken to the heaven by a whirlwind. Besides this, are there any indications in the Bible that these two never went to Abraham's bosom (Luke 16:22)?
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