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Nirodha samapatti - cessation of all, or only clinging, perception and feeling?
This is based on the comments below [this answer][1]. From [this page][2], we find the commentary: > nirodha-samāpatti 'attainment of extinction' (S. XIV, 11), also called > saññā-vedayita-nirodha, 'extinction of feeling and perception', is the > temporary suspension of all consciousness a...
This is based on the comments below this answer .
From this page , we find the commentary:
> nirodha-samāpatti 'attainment of extinction' (S. XIV, 11), also called
> saññā-vedayita-nirodha, 'extinction of feeling and perception', is the
> temporary suspension of all consciousness and mental activity,
> following immediately upon the semi-conscious state called 'sphere of
> neither-perception-nor-non-perception' (s. jhāna, 8).
And also this commentary :
> According to the commentary, "seclusion" here stands for Unbinding. On
> emerging from the cessation of perception & feeling, and having had
> contact with emptiness/the signless/the undirected, the mind inclines
> naturally to a direct experience of Unbinding.
On the other hand, the sutta states:
> Furthermore, take a mendicant who, going totally beyond the dimension
> of neither perception nor non-perception, enters and remains in the
> cessation of perception and feeling. And, having seen with wisdom,
> their defilements come to an end. To this extent the Buddha spoke of
> progressive cessation in a definitive sense.”
> AN 9.61
My question is:
Does nirodha samapatti aka saññā-vedayita-nirodha refer to a super trance-like state beyond the 8th jhana in which the practitioner becomes completely unconscious without any mental activity (like what the commentary above suggests) with cessation of ALL perception and feeling?
Or does nirodha samapatti aka saññā-vedayita-nirodha refer to Nibbana-element with residue aka Unbinding-property with fuel remaining of Iti 44 (please see Ven. Thanissaro's footnotes), where the arahant is fully conscious with mental activity, but has cessation of only the clinging (or tainted) perception and feeling? This is related to the clinging aggregates of SN 22.48 .
The quoted passage from AN 9.61 can be interpreted in both these ways. The commentary suggests that after the practitioner comes out of the super trance-like state then he stays with Nibbana-element with residue. But the latter interpretation suggests that beyond the 8 jhanas, there is no super trance-like state. Rather, after experiencing Nibbana, it's directly Nibbana-element with residue in any state with mental activity present.
In short, does nirodha samapatti aka saññā-vedayita-nirodha mean cessation of ALL perception and feeling, or cessation of the clinging-aggregates of perception and feeling?
**Question: does nirodha samapatti refer to a super trance like state beyond 8th jhana OR does it refer to the state of arahantship (nibbana-element without residue i.e. without the clinging aggregates of perception and feeling)?**
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Why does Snp 2.2 not consider eating meat to be killing karma?
The teaching of Buddha Kassapa in [Snp 2.2][1]: > “Killing living beings, > hunting, cutting, binding, > theft, lying, fraud, deceptions, > useless recitations, > associating with the wives of others: > This is a raw stench, > not the eating of meat. > [Snp 2.2][1] (and more similar statements in th...
The teaching of Buddha Kassapa in Snp 2.2 :
> “Killing living beings,
> hunting, cutting, binding,
> theft, lying, fraud, deceptions,
> useless recitations,
> associating with the wives of others:
> This is a raw stench,
> not the eating of meat.
> Snp 2.2
(and more similar statements in the whole text of the same sutta)
From Buddha Kassapa's quote above, we see that eating meat by itself is not killing karma.
However, it is popular opinion that eating meat is definitely killing karma because it indirectly causes the killing of animals. This was also Tissa's attack on Buddha Kassapa, a brahmin by birth.
What is the correct understanding of the principle of karma in Buddhism, for this case of eating meat? Why does Snp 2.2 not consider eating meat to be killing karma?
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Are the Five Precepts a gradual training?
[*In this answer*][1] it's said that the [*Five Precepts*][2] are not a form of gradual training. Are they are a gradual training? If not, why? Thank you for your time. [1]: https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/43461/is-observing-the-five-precepts-a-gradual-training/43467#43467 [2]: http://w...
*In this answer* it's said that the *Five Precepts* are not a form of gradual training.
Are they are a gradual training? If not, why?
Thank you for your time.
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Lokuttara Paṭicca-samuppāda and the Spiral Path
The doctrine of paṭicca-samuppāda, or dependent arising, forms one of the core teachings of the Buddha. The Theravāda commentarial text Nettipakaraṇa divides the applications of this doctrine into two major categories. The first category, ‘lokiya paṭicca-samuppāda’ is very well known, representing ‘...
The doctrine of paṭicca-samuppāda, or dependent arising, forms one of the core teachings of the Buddha. The Theravāda commentarial text Nettipakaraṇa divides the applications of this doctrine into two major categories. The first category, ‘lokiya paṭicca-samuppāda’ is very well known, representing ‘worldly’ conditionality as a sequence of twelve nidānas. The second category, called ‘lokuttara paṭicca-samuppāda’, creates a model of the process of liberation from the same lokiya paṭicca-samuppāda at the point of ‘jarā- maraṇa’, a term that is curiously replaced by ‘dukkha’, suffering. Applications of the second category are also referred to as the ‘Spiral Path’ after the coinage of Sangharakshita, the pre-eminent modern exponent of this aspect of Buddhist doctrine.
I have some queries regarding this:
The Upanisā Sutta that deals with lokuttara paṭicca-samuppāda in detail, traces the chain of this transcendental conditionality step-by- step in a retrograde fashion from the ‘Destruction of the Cankers’ to ‘Faith’ and it is easy to understand how each such nidāna becomes the supporting condition of the next. However, I am unable to make out how ‘Suffering’ forms the supporting condition for ’Faith’ to arise. Could this be clarified?
The second query is why is lokuttara paṭicca-samuppāda also called the ‘Spiral Path’ by Bikśu Sangharakshita?
Lastly, why is the nidāna of jarā- maraṇa replaced by the more general term dukkha in the concept of lokuttara paṭicca-samuppāda?
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How do we unconditionally love and wish people the best?
Deep down, I know there is a core that wants to love everyone for who they are. No matter who they are to me, the world, no matter how terrible of a person they are, no matter how much they make me jealous. The only problem is, the stuff in the middle. I feel like I cannot move past things due to un...
Deep down, I know there is a core that wants to love everyone for who they are. No matter who they are to me, the world, no matter how terrible of a person they are, no matter how much they make me jealous.
The only problem is, the stuff in the middle. I feel like I cannot move past things due to unclean closures to relationships and overall jealousy. I really want to wish everyone the best, but my intentions are tainted by negative emotions.
How do we break through this terrible barrier that stops us from loving ourself and everyone else, and how do we unconditionally love everyone?
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What does it mean in Bhikkhu Bodhi's *Life of the Buddha* when he describes Maha Maya as being possessed of the five kāmaguṇa
In Bhikkhu Nanamoli's **The Life of the Buddha** when describing the circumstances around his birth, Nanamoli writes > When the Bodhisatta had descended into his mother's womb, no thought > of man associated with the five strands of sensual desires came to her > at all, and she was inaccessible to a...
In Bhikkhu Nanamoli's **The Life of the Buddha** when describing the circumstances around his birth, Nanamoli writes
> When the Bodhisatta had descended into his mother's womb, no thought
> of man associated with the five strands of sensual desires came to her
> at all, and she was inaccessible to any man with lustful mind.
>
> When the Bodhisatta had descended into his mother's womb, she at the
> same time possessed the five strands of sensual desires; and being
> endowed and furnished with them, she was gratified in them.
I understand the first paragraph. And, I assume that by "the five strands of sensual desires" he's referring to the five kāmaguṇa in this answer .
The first paragraph seems to be portraying that this was a *virgin* conception (or, if not *virgin*, then it was a pregnancy that did not arise through coitus).
However, I don't understand what is actually being said in the second paragraph quoted. Is it merely saying that, in addition to the purity of her being just described, she was herself exceptionally comely?
Another aspect of this that confuses me is what is meant by "she was gratified in them"?
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Is a via positiva, cataphatic definition of Nibbāna possible?
When Time is conditioned, when Space is also supposedly conditioned, when all ‘phenomena’, in the strictest philosophical sense of the word, are conditioned, how can the unconditioned Nibbāna be ever defined? When language itself is mired in conditionality, a slave to the world of perceptions and co...
When Time is conditioned, when Space is also supposedly conditioned, when all ‘phenomena’, in the strictest philosophical sense of the word, are conditioned, how can the unconditioned Nibbāna be ever defined?
When language itself is mired in conditionality, a slave to the world of perceptions and conceptualization, how can we even try to use it to convey the meaning of the unconditioned, asaṃskṛt Nirvāṇa? Isn’t it a semantic impossibility?
Was Nāgārjuna right when he subjected Nirvāṇa to the catuṣkoṭi logic and came out with strictest and most comprehensive negative answer, the ultimate via negativa, apophatic explanation?
Based on my understanding, I can thoroughly appreciate the following ‘definitions’:
> "There is that dimension where there is neither earth, nor water, nor
> fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor
> dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of
> nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception;
> neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there,
> I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor stasis; neither passing
> away nor arising: without stance, without foundation, without support
> [mental object]. This, just this, is the end of stress." — Ud 8.1
> "There is, monks, an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated. If
> there were not that unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, there
> would not be the case that emancipation from the born — become — made
> — fabricated would be discerned. But precisely because there is an
> unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, emancipation from the born
> — become — made — fabricated is discerned." — Ud 8.3
> Where water, earth, fire, & wind have no footing: There the stars do
> not shine, the sun is not visible, the moon does not appear,
> darkness is not found. And when a sage, a brahman through sagacity,
> has known [this] for himself, then from form & formless, from bliss
> & pain,
> he is freed. — Ud 1.10”
>
> _(Courtesy, ATI)
But this is what I find difficult to accept:
> **"This is peace, this is exquisite** — the resolution of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all acquisitions, the ending of
> craving; dispassion; cessation; Nibbāna." — AN 3.32
> There's no fire like passion, no loss like anger, no pain like the
> aggregates,
> **no ease other than peace.**
>
> Hunger: the foremost illness. Fabrications: the foremost pain. For one
> knowing this truth as it actually is, **Unbinding is the foremost
> ease.**
>
> Freedom from illness: the foremost good fortune. Contentment: the
> foremost wealth. Trust: the foremost kinship.
> **Unbinding: the foremost ease.** — Dhp 202-205
> The enlightened, constantly absorbed in jhāna, persevering, firm in
> their effort: they touch Unbinding,
> **the unexcelled safety from bondage**. — Dhp 23”
>
> _(Courtesy, ATI)
Is a via positiva, cataphatic definition rationally, linguistically even possible? Could somebody help me understand Nibbāna better?
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What are the consequences of a monk eating meat?
This is not a question about being a vegetarian. My question is since the Buddha didn't prohibit monks from eating meat, and since monks are supposed to be easy to maintain and take what is offered, how should/would a monk who has chosen to be a vegetarian handle being offered meat by a lay person?...
This is not a question about being a vegetarian. My question is since the Buddha didn't prohibit monks from eating meat, and since monks are supposed to be easy to maintain and take what is offered, how should/would a monk who has chosen to be a vegetarian handle being offered meat by a lay person?
If they chose to refuse the meal would that make them high maintenance, proud or unappreciative? If they ate it, how would they reconcile that with their personal practice?
I'm particularly interested in an answer from any monastic on how they have handled or would handle this.
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Does regret help us to correct our faults?
Does regret / guilt help us to correct our faults? Doesn't the pain from our faults push us to the correct path?
Does regret / guilt help us to correct our faults? Doesn't the pain from our faults push us to the correct path?
Random guy
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What is Wholesome Meditation?
Apologies, this question has been brewing for some time after observing so many expressions of suffering from maybe not so much as misinformation, but more misdirection. Are there any scriptures defining what "wholesome meditation" is with relation to all the Skandha and not just one? Wouldn't whole...
Apologies, this question has been brewing for some time after observing so many expressions of suffering from maybe not so much as misinformation, but more misdirection.
Are there any scriptures defining what "wholesome meditation" is with relation to all the Skandha and not just one?
Wouldn't wholesome imply a working towards balance between all components that constitute an individual? Because every meditation is a technique of cultivation for the 'individual' to reach enlightenment...?
Would this also mean enforcing one and neglecting the other four is not only counterintuitive, but potentially dilapidating for the cultivation of an individual? And such imbalance may shed some light on how there are so many questions regarding some form of suffering while meditating?
*Watering a tree, but no offering of light, mineral rich food, interaction from the world or even foundational soil for constitution.*
*Yet, plant the tree in the sun, near a creek in soil complimenting and feeding it's roots and birds to spread it's seed...*
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Can a monk choose to eat only an animal or plant that had died naturally?
If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned. Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of kil...
If someone hires a person to kill another and the plot is discovered, both the hired killer and the one who hired him will be arrested and imprisoned.
Yet, somehow, if a monk eats food given by others, no negative kamma is created, even though the monk is aware of and complicit in the process of killing, i.e. he knows someone else had to do the killing of the plant or animal for his ultimate benefit, even if it wasn't explicitly killed for him.
Even worse, someone whose profession involves the daily killing of animals as is the case in a slaughterhouse, has to bear the mental consequences of this daily ritual as well as its kammic consequences.
Yet a monk can avoid all this simply by waiting for someone to put the dead animal in his bowl. The morality of this doesn't make sense.
I would think the only morally harmless situation would be for a monk to only eat an animal or plant that had already died naturally, either by scavenging for it or waiting for another to do so on his behalf.
Question:
Can a monk choose to eat only an animal or plant that had died naturally? This either by scavenging on his own or by waiting for others to offer this to him?
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Is the self like a rainbow and is it just as real?
No one can deny that a rainbow is as real as the term can be defined in any meaningful way. You can point to it so that others can see it and you can even photograph it. If a rainbow was a mind created phenomenon, then a camera, which has no mind or consciousness, would not be able to photograph it....
No one can deny that a rainbow is as real as the term can be defined in any meaningful way.
You can point to it so that others can see it and you can even photograph it.
If a rainbow was a mind created phenomenon, then a camera, which has no mind or consciousness, would not be able to photograph it.
Yet, if you got into a helicopter and traveled into the rainbow, all you would find would be atmosphere, moisture and sunlight, i.e. the elements of the rainbow. You would no longer perceive the rainbow itself.
Yet, someone further away would see both the rainbow and the helicopter you were in, so even though you no longer perceived the rainbow because of your proximity at such close scale it would not mean that the rainbow ceased to exist or that it was never existent in the first place.
Similarly, a meditator might perceive a dissolution of the self into its constituent elements and thus conclude that the self does not truly exist, yet it wouldn't mean that it actually did not exist, only that the meditator's awareness of it had ceased.
As a comparison, if one is asleep and dreaming, one loses awareness of the body and the external world, yet both still exist for others, one of whom could wake up a sleeping person and return them to the world and body they had become unaware of.
Thus, only awareness would have ceased, not the objects of awareness.
Is the affirmation of a self somehow analogical to the affirmation of a rainbow ,is it just as real and not-real in that sense?
SlowBurn
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What should be a Buddhist's response to derogatory depictions of Buddhism?
I have come across multiple instances where famous people or mainstream media have treated Buddhism and its culture in a derogatory manner, though I like to think most of the time it was because they are ignorant and not deliberate. This is not limited to famous ones of course. I will note 2 popular...
I have come across multiple instances where famous people or mainstream media have treated Buddhism and its culture in a derogatory manner, though I like to think most of the time it was because they are ignorant and not deliberate. This is not limited to famous ones of course. I will note 2 popular examples here.
The first one: SNL or Saturday Night Live (an American weekly television show) did an episode titled **Rude Buddha** , which was about the rude mentality of Lord Buddha. It consisted of a famous celebrity acting as Lord Buddha and being condescending and rude towards his followers, including sexual innuendos. Now, it's obviously a humorous dig at Lord Buddha's life. And I am not going to deny, I found it quite hilarious.
There's another example where the famous Portuguese footballer Cristiano Ronaldo uploaded a photo to his Instagram where he seems to have **one foot resting on the base of a statue of Buddha's head** . Fans were outraged and the photo was met with severe criticism. However, despite the incident being as old as from 2016, the photo still can be seen in his Instagram. It seems like the sentiment of Buddhists is not taken seriously enough for this photo to be removed. While I found the SNL episode funny, I do not view this in the same sense. He could have obviously taken it down considering how insensitive it is to Buddhists as a whole.
I believe no religion should be excluded from criticism. It enables people to engage in intellectual discourse on religions. However some incidents lean more towards mockery. Most of the comments in the SNL video (it's available on YouTube and I have provided the link above) are about how most Buddhists would find this funny and move on. However, I always wonder, to what extent should we tolerate these?
My moral dilemma is, how far can we be okay with our religion being mocked or treated insignificantly?
Do we always have to **give the benefit of ignorance when someone disrespects Buddhism and its culture**?
And how should **a good Buddhist react to incidents like these**?
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Unwholesome thoughts at the time of death
> Say one reflects on the beauty of one's children, the beauty of one's husband or wife, the beauty of one's house or garden, or the beauty of a flower, and other such things: that is rooted in greed and delusion. It is a perverted perception (*sañña-vipallāsa*), based on unwise attention....
> Say one reflects on the beauty of one's children, the beauty of one's husband or wife, the beauty of one's house or garden, or the beauty of a flower, and other such things: that is rooted in greed and delusion. It is a perverted perception (*sañña-vipallāsa*), based on unwise attention. If one has habitually looked upon such objects with such unwise attention, it will be very difficult at death suddenly to reflect upon them with wise attention. ...If one dies with such consciousness (rooted in greed and delusion,...) one cannot avoid being reborn in a woeful state.
Quoted from the book "The Workings of Kamma" by The Most Venerable Pa-Auk Sayadaw.
My question: so should we not reflect on the beauty of something? It's not a bad karma, right? So I thought it will just create attachment (that bounds us to samsara), but I didn't think it would lead to a rebirth in the lower realms?
P.S it's not that I have doubts about this book, I'm just a little confused and need some explanation.
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Eating meat mantra
I heard from some brotherhood from Mahayana said Theravada also will do some chanting for eating meat. Is it true ? I have only able to find the Mahayana Mantra but not Theravada info as below https://drukpachoegon.org/meat-blessing-mantra
I heard from some brotherhood from Mahayana said Theravada also will do some chanting for eating meat. Is it true ?
I have only able to find the Mahayana Mantra but not Theravada info as below
https://drukpachoegon.org/meat-blessing-mantra
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How is Nirvana possible if everything is conditioned?
Through reading books on Buddhism I get the idea that existence is conditioned. The faculties (mind, consciousness, etc.) through which we try to attain Nirvana are also conditioned. So, how is it possible to attain the Unconditioned through conditioned faculties?
Through reading books on Buddhism I get the idea that existence is conditioned. The faculties (mind, consciousness, etc.) through which we try to attain Nirvana are also conditioned. So, how is it possible to attain the Unconditioned through conditioned faculties?
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Sitting suggestions for a tall and inflexible meditator
I've done regular meditation for over a year using a chair and later tried to switch to more traditional meditation postures. I am rather tall at 6′4/194cm and very inflexible - can barely touch bottom of my knees. I've had some success in sitting seiza using a couple of blankets but my shins go num...
I've done regular meditation for over a year using a chair and later tried to switch to more traditional meditation postures. I am rather tall at 6′4/194cm and very inflexible - can barely touch bottom of my knees. I've had some success in sitting seiza using a couple of blankets but my shins go numb after 20min or so. I've been doing regular stretches for the last month or so and hope to be able to stretch enough to do Burmese sitting in the future.
Any advice on whether it's worthwhile to try to reach Burmese or should I rather focus on getting better at seiza? Any equipment you can recommend? I'm pretty sure the stack of blankets I need to comfortably sustain seiza is a lot taller than the 6 inches most zafu cushions are advertised as.
Thank you very much!
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Playing with sensations/heat
I am a Vipassana meditator and in the last 2-3 years am noticing that someone is playing with my aura/heat and sensations all the time. I have no idea where to get help. It is coming in the way of my meditation practice. I know it is a person who is playing with it ... Looking for help for where I c...
I am a Vipassana meditator and in the last 2-3 years am noticing that someone is playing with my aura/heat and sensations all the time. I have no idea where to get help. It is coming in the way of my meditation practice. I know it is a person who is playing with it ... Looking for help for where I can connect with.
Thanks
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How does one practice mindfulness during thinking? (for example, thinking about how to solve a problem)
This question is in context of practicing mindfulness in one's day-to-day activities (e.g. walking, talking, washing dishes etc.), where one is supposed to be "aware of" / "observe" / "be mindful of" these activities. But how does one be "mindful" during thinking, since the very act of "observing" t...
This question is in context of practicing mindfulness in one's day-to-day activities (e.g. walking, talking, washing dishes etc.), where one is supposed to be "aware of" / "observe" / "be mindful of" these activities.
But how does one be "mindful" during thinking, since the very act of "observing" thinking would interrupt the thought process? And, say, if the thought process is about solving a specific problem, the very act of "being aware of /observing" the thoughts would result in one being unable to effectively solve that problem - when compared to not observing/ not being mindful about those thoughts. Or, be unable to solve it all.
The same question for when reading something very interesting, or studying, where one is fully engrossed? Wouldn't being mindful about these activities interrupt the reading/study?
New to mindfulness here. Apologies if the question sounds foolish, or irrelevant due to my misunderstanding of mindfulness.
Thanks in advance.
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Do I need parents' permission to renounce?
I had a dilemma for a long time and I need your help please. I’m from India, 29 years and belong to a conventional Indian family, staying with my parents. Since last 4 years, I have wished to renounce my conventional life and go somewhere to meditate deeply (vipassana meditation). Its a calling, a c...
I had a dilemma for a long time and I need your help please.
I’m from India, 29 years and belong to a conventional Indian family, staying with my parents.
Since last 4 years, I have wished to renounce my conventional life and go somewhere to meditate deeply (vipassana meditation). Its a calling, a constant calling.
Two years back I told my parents but they were shattered to hear this, they were shocked and broken. Since then I quietly resumed my life. They are also concerned about their future, as they are not fully financially independent and may need my help, but it’s not like if I renounce, they cannot manage, they can definitely manage by cutting a few corners, they can live without my financial help, they have that much savings. I have been contributing to the house expenses heavily, almost all my salary so that their savings remain intact. Its like they have enough to live for another 10 years, but what after that if I’m not there. It’s very tricky.
They are concerned about their old age and future. My parents are both in 60s.
Every now and then I deeply wish to renounce and pursue deep meditation. I get confused, is my role to serve them by being there by keeping them financially secure and being there for them in their old age, but this is not contributing to their mind at all, or is my role to uncover wisdom within so that I can inspire them to do the same for their own self.
Should I be there for them in the next few years and once they are no more, then pursue my meditation or should I renounce right now, and walk the path of wisdom so that I can inspire them to believe in and uncover the wisdom inside themselves?
Its an either / or situation.
Either I keep them comfortable in conventional life, and let them move to their next life, or should I challenge myself right now so that even they can challenge themselves spiritually. (they are not that inclined towards spiritual progress)
What is my role as a son?
This is a constant dilemma every day of my life for last many years. I am neither here nor there. I can’t fully function in the conventional life also because of this. Which way should I go, or is there any middle way?
Please help me.
Kind and humble request.
Thank you.
KT123
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Jun 15, 2021, 04:45 AM
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