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Why does the altar of incense not appear to be located in the Holy Place in Hebrews 9?
Exodus 30:1 > You are also to make an altar of acacia wood for the burning of incense. Place the altar in front of the veil that is before the ark of the Testimony. Hebrews 9:2 > A tabernacle was prepared. In its first room were the lampstand, the table, and the consecrated bread. This was called th...
Exodus 30:1 > You are also to make an altar of acacia wood for the burning of incense. Place the altar in front of the veil that is before the ark of the Testimony. Hebrews 9:2 > A tabernacle was prepared. In its first room were the lampstand, the table, and the consecrated bread. This was called the Holy Place. Why does the altar of incense for the Heavenly Sanctuary not appear to be located in the Holy Place by the writer of Hebrews? Is this of any significance considering the Lamb of God, who was without sin, had now become High Priest? We find a significant difference in explanation between the KJV and other versions here too. Other versions have interpreted the Golden Censer as being the Altar. This is not the case with the KJV (I think the KJV is the correct translation here). In any case, here is my theory: After Jesus' crucifixion, the incense (which normally flowed into the Most Holy Place from the Altar of Incense) was no longer needed to protect our High Priest from death of the glory of God on the mercy seat. Jesus had already redeemed us, he paid the price for sin, he can't die twice! Second, I follow the Trinitarian view that Jesus is God, he can't be killed by his own Glory! Therefore, the incense from the altar is no longer needed for the same purpose as in the Old testament sanctuary. Rev 8:3-4 makes an interesting observation: > And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. At this point in time, even though he approaches the altar, the Angel in Revelation does not get his incense from the Altar. It is given to him (placed in His censer) and he then offers the prayers of the saints on the Altar! I feel that the key to all of this is Matthew 27:50-51 > Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; The heavenly sanctuary is an antitype of the earthly. The earthly temple veil was torn in two at Jesus death and I think this is significant in explaining Hebrews 9:2&3
Adam (524 rep)
Dec 16, 2021, 09:06 AM • Last activity: Apr 25, 2024, 04:45 AM
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What's the 'house of God' that god invokes in the OT and NT?
I have a Muslim coworker that tries to make his religion true by saying that "the house of prayer" or "house of God" that YHWH talks about in the OT and NT are the Mecca (because that's what it is for them, a house of god and prayer). So I'd like to know, where's that house located?
I have a Muslim coworker that tries to make his religion true by saying that "the house of prayer" or "house of God" that YHWH talks about in the OT and NT are the Mecca (because that's what it is for them, a house of god and prayer). So I'd like to know, where's that house located?
Elmatador DeAngel (35 rep)
Jul 30, 2022, 07:22 PM • Last activity: Aug 22, 2022, 11:53 PM
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How do Biblical Unitarians understand the earthly and heavenly tabernacles through the lens of "notional existence"?
Exodus 25:9 says: > According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it. Exodus 25:40 says: > And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount. And Hebrews 8:5 says: > Who...
Exodus 25:9 says: > According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it. Exodus 25:40 says: > And look that thou make them after their pattern, which was shewed thee in the mount. And Hebrews 8:5 says: > Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. Hebrews 9 seems to indicate that Jesus entered into an real heavenly temple and purified the items there with his own blood. In other words, the actually physical items on earth were only shadows and patterns of the non-physical entities in the heavens. In this case the non-physical is presented as more "real" than the physical. How does this affect the Biblical Unitarian theory of "notional" vs. "actual" existence? related: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/20283/was-the-tabernacle-and-its-furnishings-a-copy-of-things-in-heaven
Mike Borden (24105 rep)
Jul 14, 2022, 12:51 PM
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If the earthly sanctuary is a replica of the heavenly sanctuary, can there be death in heaven?
Please excuse what appears to be a bit of a confused question...I am trying to make sense of something that I simply do not fully understand in my own mind. The question is therefore very difficult for me to word as I would like. After the Jews came out of Egypt and God led them to Mt Sinai, God sai...
Please excuse what appears to be a bit of a confused question...I am trying to make sense of something that I simply do not fully understand in my own mind. The question is therefore very difficult for me to word as I would like. After the Jews came out of Egypt and God led them to Mt Sinai, God said to Moses.. *Then have them make a sanctuary for me, and I will dwell among them. Exodus 25.8 New International Version* *the Lord gave Moses blueprints for one of the most mysterious structures ever built? ... a unique temple that represented God’s dwelling place among His people. Its overall design and services showed this nation of freed slaves a three-dimensional panorama of the plan of salvation https://sdarm.org/publications/bible-study-guide/ptoc/lesson-14* In studying a visual image of the layout of the Tabernacle that Moses was asked to have built, the alter of sacrifice where the lamb was slain and offered as a burnt offering was in the courtyard https://www.goodseed.com/diagram-of-the-tabernacle-and-basic-layout.html Where are the laver and alter of sacrifice located in the heavenly sanctuary model that the earthly one is based upon as given to Moses? How do we interpret the relationship between the heavenly and earthly sanctuary, the services, and the plan of salvation...ie, is the courtyard of the heavenly sanctuary actually this earth where Jesus was sacrificed? Finally, does that therefore mean that there can be no death in Heaven because sin only exists on this earth? Given the idea that at least part of the heavenly sanctuary might very well be on earth (the courtyard containing the alter of sacrifice and laver), is it possible that in fact the entire heavenly sanctuary is a metaphor for the plan of salvation itself rather than a single literal place/structure in heaven.
Adam (524 rep)
Nov 25, 2020, 01:05 AM • Last activity: Nov 17, 2021, 03:58 PM
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According to amillennial Christians, has Christ fulfilled the fall festivals?
We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resur...
We all agree that Christ has fulfilled the Jewish spring festivals. (Passover, Unleavened bread, First fruits, and Pentecost) However differences of opinion arise when it comes to the fall/autumn festivals of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles. Some say the fall festivals prefigure the resurrection at the last trump and are yet to be fulfilled. Others, in particular those of Preterist persuasion, say they were fulfilled in AD 70. My question asks, according to amillennial Christians did Christ fulfil the Jewish fall festivals, how were they fulfilled, and if they haven’t yet, when?
Christian Gedge (308 rep)
Aug 2, 2020, 03:30 AM • Last activity: Oct 28, 2021, 03:00 PM
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Where did the priests who served the Lord in Shiloh live?
I am currently editing a children's book of biblical stories. In the story of Samuel, the book says that Samuel went to live with Eli in the house of the Lord. 1 Samuel 3: 1-4 ([NIV](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+3%3A1-4&version=NIV)): >1 The boy Samuel ministered before the...
I am currently editing a children's book of biblical stories. In the story of Samuel, the book says that Samuel went to live with Eli in the house of the Lord. 1 Samuel 3: 1-4 ([NIV](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Samuel+3%3A1-4&version=NIV)) : >1 The boy Samuel ministered before the Lord under Eli. In those days the word of the Lord was rare; there were not many visions. 2 One night Eli, whose eyes were becoming so weak that he could barely see, was lying down in his usual place. 3 The lamp of God had not yet gone out, and Samuel was lying down in the house of the Lord, where the ark of God was. 4 Then the Lord called Samuel. At the time, the house of the Lord was the tabernacle in Shiloh. So did the priests, like Eli, live in the tabernacle itself? But there were many priests, where did they live?
Anna (31 rep)
May 10, 2019, 11:32 AM • Last activity: May 14, 2019, 01:48 AM
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Was the tabernacle ceiling straight or pointed?
Which image describes the Tabernacle ceiling or roof as mentioned in the Book of Exodus, and what verse explains that? Was it straight or pointed? 1: [![enter image description here][1]][1] Or 2: [![enter image description here][2]][2] Or 3 (straight from inside, with a covering pyramid like layer a...
Which image describes the Tabernacle ceiling or roof as mentioned in the Book of Exodus, and what verse explains that? Was it straight or pointed? 1: enter image description here Or 2: enter image description here Or 3 (straight from inside, with a covering pyramid like layer around it?): enter image description here
Mike (191 rep)
Dec 17, 2018, 01:44 PM • Last activity: Dec 18, 2018, 11:19 AM
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What is the origin of the tradition that priests had a rope tired around them when they went into the Holy of Holies?
We have been told that it was custom for priests to have a rope tied on to them before they entered the tent where the Ark of the Covenant was kept, just in case something happened to them while they were in there so they could be pulled out. Is this true? What is the origin of this tradition?
We have been told that it was custom for priests to have a rope tied on to them before they entered the tent where the Ark of the Covenant was kept, just in case something happened to them while they were in there so they could be pulled out. Is this true? What is the origin of this tradition?
Lolo (31 rep)
Nov 9, 2015, 05:51 AM • Last activity: Nov 3, 2018, 11:27 AM
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What is the historical Christian view on the rebuilding of David's Tabernacle?
I come from an Evangelical-Charismatic background, and for many years, I've heard much teaching and emphasis on the rebuilding of David's Tabernacle/Tent in the end times. The verses used are seen in parallel in the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12 and the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15:16-18. > In that day I...
I come from an Evangelical-Charismatic background, and for many years, I've heard much teaching and emphasis on the rebuilding of David's Tabernacle/Tent in the end times. The verses used are seen in parallel in the prophecy of Amos 9:11-12 and the Jerusalem Council of Acts 15:16-18. > In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be, so that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations that bear my name, declares the LORD, who will do these things. (Amos 9:11-12, NIV) > > After this I will return and rebuild David's fallen tent. Its ruins I will rebuild, and I will restore it, that the remnant of men may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who bear my name, says the Lord, who does these things' that have been known for ages. (Acts 15:16-18, NIV) The way I've seen these verses used is in the creation of 24/7 houses of worship modeled after David's tabernacle, with singers and musicians offering up constant praise to God. These ministries are intended to usher in salvation and revival, as glory is offered up to God. As far as I can tell, this interpretation of the verses (or at least the action taken in response to them) is a fairly new phenomenon, perhaps arising only in the last thirty years. Not that I disagree with this action, but I'm curious, how has the Church historically viewed this prophetic concept? The Vine's Dictionary entry for the word for "Tabernacle" used in Acts 15: > (*f*) the house of David, i.e., metaphorically of his people, Acts 15:16; Vine's seems to imply that it's only a metaphorical concept describing the entire body of Christ, under the headship of Christ(the heir to the throne of David). So, my question remains: what is the historic Christian teaching on this rebuilding? Does orthodoxy teach that this will be one literal tabernacle, that it's a metaphor for the Church, or that it's a model we should build into?
Joel H. (280 rep)
Jul 24, 2013, 08:43 PM • Last activity: Mar 30, 2018, 10:27 AM
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Was everyone who worked on the tabernacle given the Spirit?
> Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work. (‭‭Exodus‬ ‭35:...
> Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work. (‭‭Exodus‬ ‭35:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬) Does this verse mean that every person that worked on the tabernacle was given the Spirit, or just Bezaleel and Aholiab? Also, does this imply that they walked like Christians today, or did the Spirit solely provide wisdom for building?
DGIANZ (21 rep)
Aug 25, 2017, 11:39 AM • Last activity: Sep 2, 2017, 12:11 PM
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Why did God want a Tabernacle built by Moses?
Is there a biblical basis why God wanted a Tabernacle to live among Israel ([Exodus 25:8](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+25%3A8&version=RSVCE))? > And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst. Exodus 25:8 ESV What is the significance of the Tabernacle built...
Is there a biblical basis why God wanted a Tabernacle to live among Israel ([Exodus 25:8](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+25%3A8&version=RSVCE)) ? > And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst. Exodus 25:8 ESV What is the significance of the Tabernacle built by Moses?
selva (311 rep)
Sep 25, 2014, 04:59 AM • Last activity: Oct 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
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Why did the temple in Ezekiel have stairs leading up to the altar?
In exodus God expressly forbade going up the stairs to the altar. >Exodus 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. So why does Ezekiel mention stairs to the altar? >Ezekiel 43:17: The upper ledge also is square, fourteen cubits long and f...
In exodus God expressly forbade going up the stairs to the altar. >Exodus 20:26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon. So why does Ezekiel mention stairs to the altar? >Ezekiel 43:17: The upper ledge also is square, fourteen cubits long and fourteen cubits wide. All around the altar is a gutter of one cubit with a rim of half a cubit. The steps of the altar face east.
One Face (1773 rep)
Jun 29, 2016, 03:01 PM • Last activity: Jul 5, 2016, 06:52 PM
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Why was God so specific about how to make the Tabernacle?
The Book of Exodus (ch [25](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+25&version=ESV)–[27](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2027&version=ESV)) spends quite a bit of time describing how to build the Tabernacle, right down to the type of metal and wood to use for minor par...
The Book of Exodus (ch (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=exodus+25&version=ESV)–(https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2027&version=ESV)) spends quite a bit of time describing how to build the Tabernacle, right down to the type of metal and wood to use for minor parts, all straight from the mouth of God. Why did God go into such great detail about seemingly trivial matters? Besides the obvious reason of, "It was important," what reasons have published Christian commentaries suggested for the amount of text devoted to a physical description of the Tabernacle?
ThaddeusB (7891 rep)
Nov 25, 2015, 01:47 AM • Last activity: Dec 1, 2015, 09:52 PM
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