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According to Catholic teachings, what was the First Temptation of Christ basically about?
We read in Mtt 4:1-4, of the Temptation of Jesus in the wilderness : > Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. He fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was famished. The tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command thes...
We read in Mtt 4:1-4, of the Temptation of Jesus in the wilderness : > Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. He fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was famished. The tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” Here, we see the Devil using calculated words, i.e. "IF you are the Son of God......"In other words, the Devil was asking Jesus to disclose his divinity, as if he was not sure of whom he was tempting. Elsewhere, we see Jesus forbidding his own disciples from telling others that he is the Messiah ( Mtt 16:20; Mk 8:30). That said, the Devil was presumably tempting Jesus to disclose his divinity much before the appointed time. But, the motifs of the First Temptation we have, are of stone and bread . My question therefore, is: According to Catholic teachings, what was the First Temptation of Christ basically about ?
Kadalikatt Joseph Sibichan (13774 rep)
Jan 27, 2022, 08:03 AM • Last activity: Jan 13, 2026, 07:19 AM
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What is Christ's role in salvation according to Arian theology?
This is related, but intended to be a more specific version of [this question](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/14573/20). The answer provides a pretty concise, Sunday-school refutation to Arianism, but it assumes a Trinitarian view. From within an Arian theological framework, how does Chris...
This is related, but intended to be a more specific version of [this question](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/14573/20) . The answer provides a pretty concise, Sunday-school refutation to Arianism, but it assumes a Trinitarian view. From within an Arian theological framework, how does Christ fit into the work of human salvation? Please provide Biblical and historical references as appropriate.
Flimzy (22376 rep)
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Understanding/explaining the wrath of God
When you read Numbers 25 and then view the middle east through that lens….. the actions of the middle east don’t feel as extreme. I definitely do not agree with the extremes of the middle east culture, but I am also shocked and dismayed at the extremes of what are written in Numbers 25. Yet God said...
When you read Numbers 25 and then view the middle east through that lens….. the actions of the middle east don’t feel as extreme. I definitely do not agree with the extremes of the middle east culture, but I am also shocked and dismayed at the extremes of what are written in Numbers 25. Yet God said…. > 4 ……. “Take all the leaders of the people and execute[b] them in broad daylight before the LORD so that his burning anger may turn away > from Israel.” > > 7 …….Aaron the priest, saw this, he got up from the assembly, took a > spear in his hand, 8 followed the Israelite man into the tent,[c] and > drove it through both the Israelite man and the woman—through her > belly. > > 11 …….Aaron the priest, has turned back my wrath from the Israelites > because he was zealous among them with my zeal,[d] so that I did not > destroy the Israelites in my zeal.* > > 17 “Attack the Midianites and strike them dead. 18 For they attacked > you with the treachery that they used against you in the Peor > incident. How do I as a Christian, defend this to a nonbeliever (or someone who questions Christianity). “This” being the fact that the God I serve, directed this….condoned this….. and rewarded this.
matt (191 rep)
Jan 12, 2026, 08:03 PM • Last activity: Jan 13, 2026, 03:03 AM
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Worship towards the East - pray towards the East - What are the ancient witnesses for this practice. From the Old Testament to 9 century AD?
I am looking for the oldest witnesses for the prayer towards the East both pagan and Christian. I am trying to understand the reason for the praying towards the east and from the most ancient sources I notice strange things. Especially Clement of Alexandria - does he mean the pagan temples are the r...
I am looking for the oldest witnesses for the prayer towards the East both pagan and Christian. I am trying to understand the reason for the praying towards the east and from the most ancient sources I notice strange things. Especially Clement of Alexandria - does he mean the pagan temples are the reason for us to pray towards East? > In correspondence with the manner of the sun's rising, prayers are > made looking towards the sunrise in the east. **Whence also the most > ancient temples looked towards the west**, (Pagan temples?) that people > might be taught to turn to the east when facing the images. (What > images? The sun?) **I noticed similarity with the pagan writer of De architectura:** > (Pagan - 30–20 BC?) (Marcus Vitruvius Pollio?) - De architectura > CHAPTER V HOW THE TEMPLE SHOULD FACE > > 1. The quarter toward which temples of the immortal gods ought to face is to be determined on the principle that, if there is no reason to > hinder and the choice is free, the temple and the statue placed in the > cella should face the western quarter of the sky. This will enable > those who approach the altar with offerings or sacrifices to face the > direction of the sunrise in facing the statue in the temple, and > thus those who are undertaking vows look toward the quarter from which > the sun comes forth, and likewise the statues themselves appear to be > coming forth out of the east to look upon them as they pray and > sacrifice. The most hold reason today is that Christ will come from the East as John Damascus has interpreted Matthew 24:27. But the most ancient witnesses did not know anything about this, at least I could not find mention of this. John Chrysostom does not mention this when he talks about Matthew 24:27; (Luke 17:24); Origen, Tertullian, Clement, Basil and the rest before John Damascus does not mention such reason I could not find. I also notice that the meaning of the prayer towards east is changing trough the years. Do you know more writings mentioning the prayer towards the East? 1. (c. 593 to 571 BC?) - Ezekiel 8:15-16 - Old Testament 15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. 16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Ezekiel 8:15-16 2. (50BC - (37–41AD)?) - Book of Wisdom 16:27-29 27 For what was not destroyed by fire was melted when simply warmed by a fleeting ray of the sun, 28 to make it known that one must rise before the sun to give you thanks, and must pray to you at the dawning of the light; (I think - dawning of the light = (East) ἀνατολὴν) 29 for the hope of an ungrateful person will melt like wintry frost, and flow away like waste water.Book of Wisdom 16:27-29 3. (Pagan - 30–20 BC?) (Marcus Vitruvius Pollio?) - De architectura - [Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation ](https://gnosis.study/library/%D0%93%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81/+%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5/ENG/Early%20Christian%20Prayer%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf) - [*De architectura*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_architectura) - [Vitruvius](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitruvius) CHAPTER V HOW THE TEMPLE SHOULD FACE 1. The quarter toward which temples of the immortal gods ought to face is to be determined on the principle that, if there is no reason to hinder and the choice is free, the temple and the statue placed in the cella should face the western quarter of the sky. This will enable those who approach the altar with offerings or sacrifices to face the direction of the sunrise in facing the sta- tue in the temple, and thus those who are undertaking vows look toward the quarter from which the sun comes forth, and likewise the statues themselves appear to be coming forth out of the east to look upon them as they pray and sacrifice. 2. But if the nature of the site is such as to forbid this, then the principle of determining the quarter should be changed, so that the widest possible view of the city may be had from the sanctuaries of the gods. Furthermore, temples that are to be built beside. - [De architectura libri decem 4.5.1](https://www.chenarch.com/images/arch-texts/0000-Vitruvius-50BC-Ten-Books-of-Architecture.pdf) - [Vitruvii De architectura libri decem](https://archive.org/details/vitruviidearchit00vitr/page/202/mode/2up) 4. (c.100-160 AD?) - Apocrypha - Acts of Paul - Tertullian, who deemed the work to be heretical. “- Possibly, the earliest evidence for this convention is found in the Acts of Paul, where Paul is depicted praying just before he is beheaded: “Then Paul stood with his face to the east and lifting up his hands to heaven (Τότε σταθεὶς ὁ Παῦλος κατέναντι πρὸς ἀνατολὰς καὶ ἐπάρας τὰς χεῖρας εἰς τὸν οὐρανόν), prayed at length” (Mart. Paul 5) - [Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation](https://gnosis.study/library/%D0%93%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81/+%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5/ENG/Early%20Christian%20Prayer%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf) - [Acts of Paul](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_Paul) - [The Apocryphal Acts of Paul, Peter, John Andrew and Thomas](https://dn790007.ca.archive.org/0/items/apocryphalactsof00pickuoft/apocryphalactsof00pickuoft.pdf) 5. (197 AD) Tertullian (c. 155 – c. 220 AD) (Apologeticus…was written in Carthage in the summer or autumn of 197 AD) - [Apology](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0301.htm) - [*Apologeticus*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apologeticus#:~:text=Apologeticus%2C%20his%20most%20famous%20apologetic,2nd%20centuries%20had%20been%20convicted.) 6. (197 AD)Tertullian (c. 155 – c. 220 AD) (early summer of 197 AD) (Seems that pagans prayed towards the East as seen in Ezekiel 8:15-16 ) The work can be dated to the early summer of 197, following Severus bloody defeat of Albinus in February 197, which is referred to in the work. - [Ad nationes (To the nations)](https://www.tertullian.org/works/ad_nationes.htm) - [Ad Nationes (Book I)](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/03061.htm) 7. (After 207 AD?)Tertullian (c. 155 – c. 220 AD) "of our dove", as he terms them, are always in "high and open places, facing the light" (Tertullian Adv. Val., c. iii), Of our dove, however, how simple is the very home!— always in high and open places, and facing the light! As the symbol of the Holy Spirit, it loves the (radiant) East, that figure of Christ. Nothing causes truth a blush, except only being hidden, because no man will be ashamed to give ear thereto. (Tertullian Adv. Val., c. iii). - [Against the Valentinians](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0314.htm) - [Against the Valentinians](https://ccel.org/ccel/tertullian/against_valentinians/anf03.v.vi.i.html) 8. (198 AD–c. 203 AD) Clement of Alexandria (c.150-215 AD)(Stromata written c. 198 AD–c. 203 AD) - considered gnostic by himself. > And since the dawn is an image of the day of birth, and from that point the light which has shone forth at first from the darkness increases, there has also dawned on those involved in darkness a day of the knowledge of truth. In correspondence with the manner of the sun's rising, prayers are made looking towards the sunrise in the east. Whence also the most ancient temples looked towards the west,(Pagan temples?) that people might be taught to turn to the east when facing the images. (What images? The sun?) "Let my prayer be directed before Thee as incense, the uplifting of my hands as the evening sacrifice," say the Psalms. In the case of wicked men, therefore, prayer is most injurious, not to others alone, but to themselves also. If, then, they should ask and receive what they call pieces of good fortune, these injure them after they receive them, being ignorant how to use them. For they pray to possess what they have not, and they ask things which seem, but are not, good things. But the Gnostic will ask the permanence of the things he possesses, adaptation for what is to take place, and the eternity of those things which he shall receive. And the things which are really good, the things which concern the soul, he prays that they may belong to him, and remain with him. And so he desires not anything that is absent, being content with what is present. For he is not deficient in the good things which are proper to him; being already sufficient for himself, through divine grace and knowledge. But having become sufficient in himself, he stands in no want of other things. But knowing the sovereign will, and possessing as soon as he prays, being brought into close contact with the almighty power, and earnestly desiring to be spiritual, through boundless love, he is united to the Spirit. Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 7.7.43–46; - [The Stromata, or Miscellanies](https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/clement-stromata-book7.html) - [The Stromata (Book VII)](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02107.htm) - [Clement of Alexandria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria) 9. (c. 185 – c. 253 AD) Origen of Alexandria - (Unknown date) (Origen. 32).44 Origen, On Prayer, Part 3 - Origen, Origen: Prayer, Exhortation to Martyrdom, ed. by Johannes Quasten and Joseph C. Plumpe, trans. by John J. O’Meara, Ancient Christian Writers (New York; Mahwah, NJ: Newman Press, 1954), XIX - [Origen On Prayer](https://www.ecatholic2000.com/fathers/origen.shtml) - [Origen, On Prayer (Unknown date). Translation](https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/origen_on_prayer_02_text.htm) - [Origen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen) - [Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation](https://gnosis.study/library/%D0%93%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81/+%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5/ENG/Early%20Christian%20Prayer%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf) 10. (Maybe before 238 - 244 AD (Maybe 220 - 230 AD in Alexandria?)) Origen of Alexandria (c. 185 – c. 253 AD) Origen (185-253 AD) Homily on Numbers 2:1-34 - [Homilies On Numbers](https://vdoc.pub/download/homilies-on-numbers-656uqi23omg0) - [Homilies on Numbers](https://books.google.bg/books/about/Homilies_on_Numbers.html?id=P4pPyRXeWkUC&redir_esc=y) - [Origen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origen) 11. (c. 185 – c. 253 AD) Origen of Alexandria (Similar to Clement of Alexandria, Strom. 7.7.43–46;) (Origen - Homily on the Third book of Moses) (Origen - Homilies on Leviticus) - [Homilies on Leviticus 1-16 (Fathers of the Church)](https://dokumen.pub/homilies-on-leviticus-1-16-fathers-of-the-church-0813200830-9780813200835.html) - [Няма налична електронна книга](https://books.google.bg/books?id=Eo9Da7xaBuUC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=%20from%20the%20east&f=false) Old Testament: Leviticus 16:14-16 (I think that the priest that sprinkles with the figner is facing West, facing the mercy seat - sprinkles on the mercy seat - the eastern direction - I think the face/the front side of the mercy seat and before the mercy seat - the priest seems to look towards the West, not East? In the Old Testement) 12. (330-379 AD) Basil the great St. Basil the Great, The Holy Spirit, 27,66 Basil, De Spir. Sancto 27.66; - [De Spiritu Sancto](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3203.htm) 13. (c.335 – 394 AD) Gregory of Nyssa (Similar to Basil the Great, The Holy Spirit, 27,66) Gregory of Nyssa - Homily 5 on Lord's Prayer (Adam in Us) - [Homily 5 - Forgive Us Our Debts As We Forgive Our Debtors. And Lead Us Not Into Temptation, But Deliver Us From The Evil One.](https://orthodoxprayer.org/Articles_files/GregoryNyssa-Homily5%20Lords%20Prayer.html) - [Why do many old churches face east?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/62632/why-do-many-old-churches-face-east/80757#80757) 14. (c. 313 - 386 AD) Bishop Cyril of Jerusalem Cyril of Jerusalem, Mystogogic Catecheses XXXIII, 1073 B. as quoted in Jean Danielou, The Bible and the Liturgy, 30. - [Catechetical Lectures 13-23 (incl. Mystagogical Catecheses)](https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/catechetical-lectures-1323-incl-mystagogical-catecheses-9085) - [Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation](https://gnosis.study/library/%D0%93%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81/+%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5/ENG/Early%20Christian%20Prayer%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf) 15. (3th. c. - late 4th. c. AD? - Syria?) Didascalia Apostolorum - The Teaching of the Apostles (1) The Holy Apostles have therefore decreed, first, that people should pray towards the East, because, that as the lightning that flashes from the East, and is seen unto the West, thus shall be the coming of the Son of Man. By this let us know and understand when we pray, that He shall be seen from the East, and towards it we expect Him and we worship Him. Commandments from the writing of Addai the Apostle. (Syrian Didascalia Apostolorum/Didascalia Addai, Teaching of the Apostles/Teaching of the Apostle Addai) - [The Teaching of the Apostles](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0854.htm) - [The *Didascalia Apostolorum* in English](https://ia600205.us.archive.org/9/items/didascaliaaposto00gibsuoft/didascaliaaposto00gibsuoft.pdf) - [Facing east](https://tradice.net/2016/04/2016-04-14/#gsc.tab=0) Source say - Mentioned by Ephiphanius - (Haer. 70) refers to the Audians’ use of the Didascalia to justify their Quartodeciman practice. The text is called τῶν ἀποστόλων διάταξις; - [The reception history of the Didascalia](https://ancientchurchorders.wordpress.com/tag/epiphanius/) At the end of the 4th century it is quoted in the Pseudo-Chrysostom's *Opus Imperfectum in Matthaeum*. - [*Didascalia Apostolorum*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didascalia_Apostolorum) John Damascus may have his interpretations on (Matthew 24:27, Luke 17:24) from the *Didascalia Apostolorum*. 16. (c. 339 – 397 AD) Ambrose of Milan Bishop Ambrose’ De Mysteriis, (Myst. 2.7) - [Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation](https://gnosis.study/library/%D0%93%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81/+%20%D0%9D%D0%B5%20%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BA%D0%BE%20%D0%BE%20%D0%B3%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%B5/ENG/Early%20Christian%20Prayer%20and%20Identity%20Formation.pdf) 17. (354 - 430 AD) Augustine of Hippo Augustine of Hippo, Augustine, Sermon on the Mount 2.5.18: - [ Our Lord’s Sermon On The Mount, according to Matthew](https://documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0354-0430,_Augustinus,_De_Sermone_Domini_In_Monte_Secundum_Matthaeum_[Schaff],_EN.pdf) - [On the Sermon on the Mount, Book II](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/16012.htm) 18. (c. 342–347 – 420 AD) Jerome - commentary on Ezekiel 8:15-16; - [Commentary on the Prophet Ezekiel](https://historicalchristian.faith/by_father.php?file=Jerome%2FCommentary%2520on%2520Ezekiel.html) - [Ефрем Сирин, прп. (†373)](https://azbyka.ru/biblia/in/?Ezek.8:16&r) 19. (c. 450 AD) - Pope Leo I (Leo the great) (c. 391 – 461 AD) - Leo the Great in Sermon XXVII Leo the Great, Sermons, ed. by Thomas P. Halton, trans. by Jane Patricia Freeland and Agnes Josephine Conway, The Fathers of the Church (Washington, DC: The Catholic University of America Press, 1996), XCIII, 113: - [Why do many old churches face east?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/62632/why-do-many-old-churches-face-east) - [Sermon 27](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/360327.htm) 20. (c. AD 675/676 - 749 AD) John of Damascus Chapter 12. Concerning Worship towards the East. - [An Exposition of the Orthodox Faith (Book IV)](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/33044.htm) - [John of Damascus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus) St. John of Damascus, John Damascene, Three Treatises on the Divine Images 2.16
Stefan (447 rep)
Jul 25, 2025, 11:45 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 07:08 PM
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Why does the Roman Catholic Creed include "God from God" and the Orthodox Creed does not, and does this signal any difference in dogma?
Most discussions of the Creed suggest that both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches accept the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and that the only substantive difference between them is the Filioque. Yet there is one other significant difference: The Catholic Creed includes "God from God" in the...
Most discussions of the Creed suggest that both the Orthodox and Roman Catholic Churches accept the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and that the only substantive difference between them is the Filioque. Yet there is one other significant difference: The Catholic Creed includes "God from God" in the section on the Son of God (see ), while the Orthodox Creed does not have a similar clause (see , ). Why do they differ on whether to include this language, and does it signal any difference in dogma? NOTE: As of January 11, 2026, this question has not been answered. The discussion has provided documentation of the difference by not an explanation of why they are different.
TruthinDC (81 rep)
Dec 13, 2025, 02:44 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 07:00 PM
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Is it ever okay to lie to a corrupt person in order to prevent them from committing a grave sin? Please view context below
Is it ever okay to lie to a corrupt person in order to prevent them from committing a grave sin? For context, I have given $2000 AUD to someone who I am 90% sure is a scammer. He poses as someone helping disabled children in Uganda and used the song 'Oceans' on one of his videos with the lyrics 'Spi...
Is it ever okay to lie to a corrupt person in order to prevent them from committing a grave sin? For context, I have given $2000 AUD to someone who I am 90% sure is a scammer. He poses as someone helping disabled children in Uganda and used the song 'Oceans' on one of his videos with the lyrics 'Spirit lead me' to encourage people to donate. A contact in Uganda has done a thorough research and concluded that he is a scammer. Edit: From a purely human perspective, telling him I will report him unless he repays me the money I sent him (which was a loan) might discourage him from scamming others and using the name of the Holy Spirit in vain as he may have done, as he would not gain as much profit from what is probably his scam venture, but I am uncertain if this is the right approach. To be clear, in reality I will report him regardless. This would just be to encourage him to return the money.
Zachary Blennerhassett (49 rep)
Jan 12, 2026, 02:35 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 05:34 PM
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Do Trinitarians serve a different God than Jesus is serving in Heaven?
Jesus is high priest to his god currently. Is his god the triune god? If not, why do trinitarians have a different god than Jesus' "Only True God"? Does this not define 2 gods in their theology? For example... John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with the triune god and the Lo...
Jesus is high priest to his god currently. Is his god the triune god? If not, why do trinitarians have a different god than Jesus' "Only True God"? Does this not define 2 gods in their theology? For example... John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with the triune god and the Logos was the triune god....." Remember there is only 1 God. Its very simple. Ask yourself... Is my god the same as Jesus' god? If your god is not ONLY the person of the Father (like Paul's), but rather a 3 person being, wouldn't that mean there are 2 different gods being served? The triune god. And Jesus' god? I imagine Trinitarians will say their God is also the Father. But they can only claim 1 god. So is it the Father or the being? Which is the best answer between the 2? Y is defined as the complete composition of X,Z,and W. Y needs to be all 3. If we define Y (the Trinity) as being completely comprised of X (the Father), Z (the Son), and W (the Holy Spirit), then logically, if Y encompasses multiple distinct entities, it cannot ever equal just one of those entities (X). X can never equal Y. This leaves us with 2 different gods being served. How do Trinitarians get around this logical failure?
Read Less Pray More (151 rep)
Jan 11, 2026, 05:02 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 04:25 PM
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Bart Ehrman Q&A in Misquoting Jesus
I’m trying to identify an edition of Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman that includes a Q&A section containing the following quote: >If he [Bruce Metzger] and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked li...
I’m trying to identify an edition of Misquoting Jesus by Bart D. Ehrman that includes a Q&A section containing the following quote: >If he [Bruce Metzger] and I were put in a room and asked to hammer out a consensus statement on what we think the original text of the New Testament probably looked like, there would be very few points of disagreement—maybe one or two dozen out of many thousands. The copies I’ve checked (Amazon paperback and Kindle editions) do not include this Q&A. Does anyone know which edition or supplemental material contains this exchange, or where the quote is sourced?
ed huff (571 rep)
Jan 8, 2026, 09:25 PM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 11:02 AM
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Why did St. Augustine and St. Thomas endorse ensoulment at 40 or 80 days?
I know the story that they lacked our current biological knowledge. I know the story that they still considered abortion to be a grave evil. These two excuses seem inadequate to me. Regardless, they are still quoted to this very day by pro-abortion apologists. Aquinas was even quoted by name in *Roe...
I know the story that they lacked our current biological knowledge. I know the story that they still considered abortion to be a grave evil. These two excuses seem inadequate to me. Regardless, they are still quoted to this very day by pro-abortion apologists. Aquinas was even quoted by name in *Roe vs. Wade* in support of historical theological confusion about abortion.*
*cf. *The Fake and Deceptive Science Behind Roe v. Wade: Settled Law v. Settled Science* by Thomas Hilgers, W., MD . Since they were so brilliant all they had to do was look at Psalm 51:5 “in sin did my mother conceive me” which clearly proves original sin is present at conception which necessitates a spiritual soul. The answer escapes me and causes me to question if they were they really so brilliant. If they were brilliant, then why the primitive thinking on ensoulment?
chris griffin (325 rep)
Jul 2, 2021, 08:03 PM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 03:08 AM
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LDS perspective on the New King James Version?
Sometimes, when I talk with LDS missionaries about passages in scripture, they'll reject some verses I have memorized because they are NLT or NIV, not KJV. I had tried memorizing the KJV first in the past, but I got discouraged really quickly. It was hard for me to remember the older versions of wor...
Sometimes, when I talk with LDS missionaries about passages in scripture, they'll reject some verses I have memorized because they are NLT or NIV, not KJV. I had tried memorizing the KJV first in the past, but I got discouraged really quickly. It was hard for me to remember the older versions of words (thee/thou/ye), older grammatical conventions, slightly devolved word definitions. I gave up and decided to stick with the NLT. But recently, I encountered another pair of missionaries, prompting me again to re-evaluate my NLT decision. Sometime in the past I dismissed the NKJV to be just as difficult to memorize as the KJV, but after giving it another look... I can't imagine why. Surprisingly, the NJKV seems to fall on the easier side of the memory-difficulty spectrum😄. I was very relieved and happy when I discovered this, so I'm more than comfortable with switching over... but only if it would be useful for discussions with Latter Day Saints. What is the LDS perspective on the NJKV? Is there an official stance? Crucially, a stance that *most missionaries* would know about and reiterate? On a practical level, would the NJKV be a safe choice to memorize and recall for discussions? Or would it become just as futile as an NLT when there are word/phrasing differences? **Edit:** Thanks to Hold To The Rod for clarifying to me that Latter Day Saints are not actually KJV-only. My mistake!
springworks00 (135 rep)
Feb 24, 2022, 04:30 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 02:22 AM
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Ancient sources - church fathers about the Unwritten traditions
Where to read about - church fathers discussing the unwritten traditions of the church before year 400 AD. I read that Epiphanius of Salamis has said something about the unwritten traditions in his book - Ancoratus I found this https://dokumen.pub/ancoratus-0813225914-9780813225913.html But I can no...
Where to read about - church fathers discussing the unwritten traditions of the church before year 400 AD. I read that Epiphanius of Salamis has said something about the unwritten traditions in his book - Ancoratus I found this https://dokumen.pub/ancoratus-0813225914-9780813225913.html But I can not find something relevant in this book by searching by keywords. Do you know other church fathers discussing the unwritten traditions and the explanations about these unwritten traditions before 400 AD? Thanks in advance.
Stefan (447 rep)
Oct 25, 2025, 08:10 PM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 02:06 AM
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Concepts of "the unknown god" (Acts 17:23) in animistic pagan theology?
I was reading *What is the Trinity* by R.C. Sproul, where he writes on page 18: > One of the most striking things that I encountered during my graduate work in the 1960s was the evidence that was emerging from the work of theological anthropologists and sociologists who were examining the religious...
I was reading *What is the Trinity* by R.C. Sproul, where he writes on page 18: > One of the most striking things that I encountered during my graduate work in the 1960s was the evidence that was emerging from the work of theological anthropologists and sociologists who were examining the religious views of various primitive tribes in the world. They were finding that while animism was outwardly prevalent in those cultures, the people frequently spoke about a god on the other side of the mountain or a god who was distantly removed from them. In other words, they had a concept of a high god who was not at the center of their daily religious practices. This god was like the unknown god of the Greeks, a god with whom they were not in contact but who nevertheless was there. This is extremely interesting. I am not very familiar with the study of anthropology. What examples of this are there around the world?
Jacob Ivanov (131 rep)
Nov 14, 2025, 02:29 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 01:18 AM
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According to the Catholic Church what are the primary heresies that are taught/believed by the Presbyterian Church?
I am attempting to explore the differences in theology between various western theological christian positions. And I would like to know according to the Catholic Church’s perspective, what teachings or beliefs of the Presbyterian Church are considered heretical and in what way. I would like to get...
I am attempting to explore the differences in theology between various western theological christian positions. And I would like to know according to the Catholic Church’s perspective, what teachings or beliefs of the Presbyterian Church are considered heretical and in what way. I would like to get a list of these in an easy to read list or table. An entry could be something like this example: - The denial of the Real Presence in the Eucharist (sacramental symbolism) is deemed heretical because it rejects the belief that the bread and wine become Christ’s actual Body and Blood during Mass. This matters because the Eucharist as a central sacrament for salvation and communion with Christ according to the Catholic Church.
Wyrsa (8705 rep)
Jul 18, 2025, 09:43 AM • Last activity: Jan 12, 2026, 01:15 AM
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Matthew 1:19, Wouldn't divorcing Mary still bring her public disgrace?
"So her husband Joseph, being a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her publicly, decided to divorce her secretly" - Matthew 1:19 Wouldn't Mary still go through disgrace by being a mother without a husband? Specially if she is not a widow. If Joseph would have followed his original plan, woul...
"So her husband Joseph, being a righteous man, and not wanting to disgrace her publicly, decided to divorce her secretly" - Matthew 1:19 Wouldn't Mary still go through disgrace by being a mother without a husband? Specially if she is not a widow. If Joseph would have followed his original plan, wouldn't Mary still have to face public scrutiny for seemingly having a child out of wedlock and more importantly without a husband?
Hackerman (69 rep)
Jan 11, 2026, 05:35 AM
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Who is This "Greatest Philosophical Intellect that England Ever Produced'' That Quotes Ps. 14:1?
We read on [p. 15](https://archive.org/details/a591687700mannuoft/page/n18/mode/1up) of Cardinal Henry Edward Manning's [*Lectures:*](https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/a591687700mannuoft/a591687700mannuoft.pdf) >A man whom Englishmen are fond of calling the greatest philosophical intellect tha...
We read on [p. 15](https://archive.org/details/a591687700mannuoft/page/n18/mode/1up) of Cardinal Henry Edward Manning's [*Lectures:*](https://dn790008.ca.archive.org/0/items/a591687700mannuoft/a591687700mannuoft.pdf) >A man whom Englishmen are fond of calling the greatest philosophical intellect that England ever produced, in one of his essays, has used these words: Quoting the book of Psalms, he says, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God." It is not said, "The fool hath thought in his heart;" that is, the fool did say so in his heart, because he hoped there might be no God. He did not say it in his head, because he knew better. Based on the context of the text from which the extract was taken, it appears that the unnamed philosopher was an atheist or sorts. Cardinal Manning died in 1892. I vaguely recall having read something some time ago in which Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) quoted Psalm 14:1 to suit his purposes, but I have since not been able to locate it. Besides, it is quite unlikely, I think, that Cardinal Manning was referring to someone who was at most in his twenties when the comment was made. Also, I have not been able to determine if David Hume had ever quoted from the Psalms. (I thought he might be a candidate.) QUESTION: Does anyone know (or know likely) whom Cardinal Manning was referring to in the above extract? If so, can you also provide the source where Ps. 14:1 is used by that person? Thank you.
DDS (3372 rep)
Jan 9, 2026, 10:58 PM • Last activity: Jan 11, 2026, 05:30 AM
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Most convincing or compelling reason to convert from Catholicism to Christianity
For those of you who are recovering Catholics and now Christian brothers, what were the most convincing or compelling reasons to make the switch? I’ve heard a variety of reasons, but primarily the newfound personal relationship with Jesus Christ and complete assurance of salvation.
For those of you who are recovering Catholics and now Christian brothers, what were the most convincing or compelling reasons to make the switch? I’ve heard a variety of reasons, but primarily the newfound personal relationship with Jesus Christ and complete assurance of salvation.
Hosea (95 rep)
Jan 11, 2026, 03:35 AM
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Was Billy Sunday the first evangelist to equate the "altar call" with salvation?
According to [this article][1] from the [The Society for Effective Evangelism][2]: > Up until Billy Sunday, altar calls were invitations for seekers to come to an after-meeting or inquiry room where counselors would help people understand their heart condition. These ministers worked in concert with...
According to this article from the The Society for Effective Evangelism : > Up until Billy Sunday, altar calls were invitations for seekers to come to an after-meeting or inquiry room where counselors would help people understand their heart condition. These ministers worked in concert with the Holy Spirit to help seekers repent and yield to God, and to pray that God would save them. Someone was saved only when they were born again—when the Holy Spirit came into them. Conversion and being born again meant the same thing. Of course, I've been to _many_ Christian events that feature altar calls and even more where the speaker simply asks non-Christians to "pray the Sinner's Prayer " with them. I assumed the practice went back at least to Revivalists such as Charles Finney, but according the the article, evangelists before Sunday provided individual counseling before telling people they were saved. Is there any evidence the practice of "salvation by altar call" is older than Sunday?
Jon Ericson (9796 rep)
Oct 11, 2012, 08:53 PM • Last activity: Jan 10, 2026, 09:34 PM
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What are the biblical arguments against the papacy and papal succession?
The Catholic Church teaches that Peter was the first pope and that papal succession continued down through history to the present day. However, neither the Orthodox nor the Protestant churches recognize this. So, what are the biblical arguments (Protestant or Orthodox) against the papacy and papal s...
The Catholic Church teaches that Peter was the first pope and that papal succession continued down through history to the present day. However, neither the Orthodox nor the Protestant churches recognize this. So, what are the biblical arguments (Protestant or Orthodox) against the papacy and papal succession?
Narnian (64736 rep)
Nov 29, 2011, 02:38 PM • Last activity: Jan 10, 2026, 09:21 PM
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Are there theological explanations for why God allowed ambiguity to exist in Scripture?
Doctrinal differences abound in Christianity. This is attested to by the numerous times the Church has suffered splits and given birth to different denominations, branches, and sub-branches. The question [Can somebody summarize the different “branches” of Christianity to me, and explain why they exi...
Doctrinal differences abound in Christianity. This is attested to by the numerous times the Church has suffered splits and given birth to different denominations, branches, and sub-branches. The question [Can somebody summarize the different “branches” of Christianity to me, and explain why they exist in the first place?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/74835/can-somebody-summarize-the-different-branches-of-christianity-to-me-and-expla) gets this point across tremendously well. But this inevitably leads us to ask the question: **Why did God allow something like this to happen in the first place?** If we look at the root causes of the many divisions in the history of the Church, one main reason that immediately stands out is the many different ways in which the Scriptures have been interpreted throughout history. And this is nothing to be surprised about when you have Scriptures that are inherently ambiguous, lending themselves to different, and sometimes mutually exclusive, interpretations. And just to make matters even more complicated, even before we get to interpret anything, the question about what is considered part of the canon of Scripture and what isn't is also controversial in and of itself (for evidence of this, simply take a look at the [many questions](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/canon?tab=Votes) that have already been asked on the topic of the canon of scripture). If God was behind the scenes inspiring and guiding the compilation of the Bible, then it follows that the existence of ambiguity in Scripture (what should be included in the canon, how Scripture should be interpreted, etc.) couldn't have been a coincidence. It had to be intentional. God, for some unknown reason, deliberately and intentionally allowed ambiguity to exist in Scripture. Why? ____ *(\*) Note: I don't intend this question to be opinion-based, so I would rather encourage answers that draw on reputable sources, e.g., the works of reputable Christian philosophers or theologians that have discussed this question before, etc. Alternatively, if a denomination has an official denominational answer to the question, it would be great to know about that too.* ______ Related questions: - [How do proponents of Sola Scriptura choose the “correct” interpretation of a key Bible verse?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/83846/how-do-proponents-of-sola-scriptura-choose-the-correct-interpretation-of-a-key) - https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/89211/50422 - [Are there any denominations that give official advice on how to handle the uncertainty in their doctrines?](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/81069/are-there-any-denominations-that-give-official-advice-on-how-to-handle-the-uncer)
user50422
Apr 29, 2021, 02:12 PM • Last activity: Jan 10, 2026, 11:02 AM
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If both the Orthodox and Catholic Church affirm salvation by grace through faith, why did the Protestant Reformation happen?
I will often engage in dialogue with Catholics and Orthodox Christians who tell me that the doctrine of their churches affirms that salvation is by grace through faith. If that is true, then what distinguishes Lutherans from Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians?
I will often engage in dialogue with Catholics and Orthodox Christians who tell me that the doctrine of their churches affirms that salvation is by grace through faith. If that is true, then what distinguishes Lutherans from Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians?
Dan (2204 rep)
Jan 8, 2020, 10:25 PM • Last activity: Jan 10, 2026, 04:09 AM
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