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The "Aha!" moment: From conceptual knowledge to direct vision (dassana)?
I’ve been reflecting on ***the slide*** of the practice—that threshold where the "Doer" or the "Agent" seems to fall away and you’re just left with the flow of the process. Suttas like **AN 11.2 (the Cetana Sutta)** describe this beautifully. They show the path as a series of mental qualities that "...
I’ve been reflecting on ***the slide*** of the practice—that threshold where the "Doer" or the "Agent" seems to fall away and you’re just left with the flow of the process.
Suttas like **AN 11.2 (the Cetana Sutta)** describe this beautifully. They show the path as a series of mental qualities that "flow on and fill up" through dhammatā (natural law), without needing an act of will (cetanā) to push them along.
It's one thing to know the "map" of these links intellectually, but I'm curious about the specific point where that knowledge flips into a direct "Aha!" moment—witnessing the mechanics run themselves. How do the Suttas (or the broader tradition) describe this shift from just knowing the mechanics (ñāṇa) to actually seeing them unfold (dassana)? Is there a specific term for that tipping point?
Newton
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Why is consciousness not discussed as internal and external in the Dhathu-vibhanga sutta (MN 140)?
Why is consciousness not discussed as internal and external in the Dhathu-vibhanga sutta (MN 140)? > "And what is the space property? **The space property may be either internal or external.** What is the internal space property? Anything internal, belonging to oneself, that's space, spatial, & sust...
Why is consciousness not discussed as internal and external in the Dhathu-vibhanga sutta (MN 140)?
> "And what is the space property? **The space property may be either internal or external.** What is the internal space property? Anything internal, belonging to oneself, that's space, spatial, & sustained: the holes of the ears, the nostrils, the mouth, the [passage] whereby what is eaten, drunk, consumed, & tasted gets swallowed, and where it collects, and whereby it is excreted from below, or anything else internal, within oneself, that's space, spatial, & sustained: This is called the internal space property. Now both the internal space property & the external space property are simply space property. And that should be seen as it actually is present with right discernment: 'This is not mine, this is not me, this is not my self.' When one sees it thus as it actually is present with right discernment, one becomes disenchanted with the space property and makes the space property fade from the mind.
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> "**There remains only consciousness: pure & bright.** What does one cognize with that consciousness? One cognizes 'pleasure.' One cognizes 'pain.' One cognizes 'neither pleasure nor pain.' In dependence on a sensory contact that is to be felt as pleasure, there arises a feeling of pleasure. When sensing a feeling of pleasure, one discerns that 'I am sensing a feeling of pleasure.' One discerns that 'With the cessation of that very sensory contact that is to be felt as pleasure, the concomitant feeling — the feeling of pleasure that has arisen in dependence on the sensory contact that is to be felt as pleasure — ceases, is stilled.' In dependence on a sensory contact that is to be felt as pain... In dependence on a sensory contact that is to be felt as neither pleasure nor pain, there arises a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain. When sensing a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain, one discerns that 'I am sensing a feeling of neither pleasure nor pain.' One discerns that 'With the cessation of that very sensory contact that is to be felt as neither pleasure nor pain, the concomitant feeling — the feeling of neither pleasure nor pain that has arisen in dependence on the sensory contact that is to be felt as neither pleasure nor pain — ceases, is stilled.'
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> https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.140.than.html
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Is the rule of Karma part of materialistic world or not?
As per title. To be more specific: The rule, or the working way of Karma - is it part of the world and thus uniquely determined within the formation of our world? Or is the working way of Karma some superior rule higher than the formation of our world, that all worlds (we know Buddhism believe there...
As per title. To be more specific:
The rule, or the working way of Karma - is it part of the world and thus uniquely determined within the formation of our world? Or is the working way of Karma some superior rule higher than the formation of our world, that all worlds (we know Buddhism believe there are many parallel worlds in time and space) follow a same set of Karma rule?
Take as an example, SA 527 , which says:
> a novice monk stole monk's 7 fruits, so he was punished by Karma, that he fell into hell for many lives, and even if he reincarnate into a human after these sufferings, hot iron bullets will penetrate his body from time to time
Is such karmaphala penalty for stealing monk's fruits (i.e. falling into hell and later becoming a human penetrated by bullets),
- (a) the same or similar across all worlds, or
- (b) unique of our world, or
- (c) unique only to Sakyamuni Buddha's era in our world?
There is a similar question but not well-answered either.
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Note this question is not "is Karma part of materialistic world". Karma itself is obviously bound with sentients in this world, but I want to know whether the rule of Karma also bound to us.
Cheshire_the_Maomao
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Dec 1, 2025, 09:03 AM
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Throwing out garden pests instead of killing them
My mother grows organic vegetables so she doesn't spray pesticides. I warned her that killing snails would add to her karma of taking life; she said, "If I don't kill them, what will I eat?" So she no longer smashes the snails on the ground to kill them — she puts the snails into a plastic bag and t...
My mother grows organic vegetables so she doesn't spray pesticides.
I warned her that killing snails would add to her karma of taking life; she said, "If I don't kill them, what will I eat?"
So she no longer smashes the snails on the ground to kill them — she puts the snails into a plastic bag and throws them in the trash.
Is that the right way to handle it?
What other alternatives are there?
LindaBMT85
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Oct 19, 2025, 01:21 AM
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Did the Buddha really allow raw meat and raw blood for a monk possessed by a spirit?
In [Kd 6][1], We come across the following:- > On one occasion a monk was possessed by a spirit. His teacher and > preceptor who were nursing him were not able to cure him. He then went > to a pigs’ slaughterhouse to eat raw meat and drink blood. As a > result, he became well. They told the Buddha....
In Kd 6 , We come across the following:-
> On one occasion a monk was possessed by a spirit. His teacher and
> preceptor who were nursing him were not able to cure him. He then went
> to a pigs’ slaughterhouse to eat raw meat and drink blood. As a
> result, he became well. They told the Buddha.
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> “For one who is possessed, I allow raw meat and raw blood.”
I had never heard of this before. I only encountered it because a polemical blog quoted it in an attempt to criticize Buddhist scripture by highlighting passages that seem negative or problematic when taken at face value. Since their intent of quoting the above was obviously hostile I’d like to understand the background of these from those familiar with the Vinaya:-
My questions are:
1. Is the translation accurate?
Does the Pali genuinely say that the Buddha allowed raw meat and raw blood in such circumstances?
2. Is this passage considered authentic and canonical within mainstream Theravāda?
3. If both of the above are true, How is this interpreted by traditional Buddhists today?
Is it taken literally, regarded as a narrowly defined medicinal or exceptional allowance, or understood in some other way?
And if it is accepted, how is it justified within Buddhist ethics and discipline?
user31982
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Are the "seven stations of consciousness" and "two dimensions" in DN 15 meditative states, cosmological realms, or both?
In the Dīgha Nikāya 15 (DN 15), the Mahānidāna Sutta, the Buddha outlines a a complex stratification of "seven stations of consciousness" and "two dimensions" > “Ānanda, there are these seven stations of consciousness and two > dimensions. Which seven? > > “There are **beings with multiplicity of bo...
In the Dīgha Nikāya 15 (DN 15), the Mahānidāna Sutta, the Buddha outlines a a complex stratification of "seven stations of consciousness" and "two dimensions"
> “Ānanda, there are these seven stations of consciousness and two
> dimensions. Which seven?
>
> “There are **beings with multiplicity of body and multiplicity of
> perception,4 such as human beings, some devas, and some beings in the
> lower realms. This is the first station of consciousness.**
>
> “There are **beings with multiplicity of body and singularity of
> perception, such as the Devas of Brahmā’s Retinue generated by the
> first (jhāna) and (some) beings in the four realms of deprivation.5
> This is the second station of consciousness.**
>
> “There are **beings with singularity of body and multiplicity of
> perception, such as the Radiant Devas. This is the third station of
> consciousness.**
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> “There are **beings with singularity of body and singularity of
> perception, such as the Beautiful Black Devas. This is the fourth
> station of consciousness.**
>
> “There are **beings who, with the complete transcending of perceptions
> of (physical) form, with the disappearance of perceptions of
> resistance, and not heeding perceptions of multiplicity, (perceiving,)
> ‘Infinite space,’ arrive at the dimension of the infinitude of space.
> This is the fifth station of consciousness.**
>
> “There are **beings who, with the complete transcending of the dimension
> of the infinitude of space, (perceiving,) ‘Infinite consciousness,’
> arrive at the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness.** **This is
> the sixth station of consciousness.**
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> “There are beings who, **with the complete transcending of the dimension
> of the infinitude of consciousness, (perceiving,) ‘There is nothing,’
> arrive at the dimension of nothingness. This is the seventh station of
> consciousness.**
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> **“The dimension of non-percipient beings and, second, the dimension of
> neither perception nor non-perception. [These are the two dimensions.]**
~ DN 15
Is the Buddha here describing subjective, internal states of consciousness that can be directly known in meditation, or externally existing cosmological realms that other beings inhabit?
This ambiguity is especially pronounced in the case of the “dimension of infinite consciousness.” Is this to be understood as a temporary mental perception - an internal expansion of awareness beyond form - or does it point to a more ontological reality in which consciousness itself is experienced as boundless?
If so, what does this imply about the nature of consciousness: is it something objectively infinite by nature, or is any perception of “infinite consciousness” merely a constructed meditative perception, still within the conditioned world, and thus ultimately impermanent?
user30831
Jul 12, 2025, 02:29 PM
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How do Buddhists interpret the Buddha’s explanation of earthquakes in AN 8.70?
In [AN 8.70][1], the Buddha lists eight causes for an earthquake. The passages read as follows:- > Then Venerable Ānanda went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one > side, and said to him, “Sir, that was a really big earthquake! That > was really a very big earthquake; awe-inspiring and hair-rais...
In AN 8.70 , the Buddha lists eight causes for an earthquake. The passages read as follows:-
> Then Venerable Ānanda went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one
> side, and said to him, “Sir, that was a really big earthquake! That
> was really a very big earthquake; awe-inspiring and hair-raising, and
> thunder cracked the sky! **What’s the cause, what’s the reason for a
> great earthquake?”**
>
> “Ānanda, **there are these eight causes and reasons for a great
> earthquake**. What eight?
>
> **This great earth is established on water, the water is established on
> air, and the air stands in space. At a time when a great wind blows,
> it stirs the water, and the water stirs the earth. This is the first
> cause and reason for a great earthquake.**
>
> Furthermore, there is an ascetic or brahmin with psychic power who has
> achieved mastery of the mind, or a god who is mighty and powerful.
> They’ve developed a limited perception of earth and a limitless
> perception of water. They make the earth shake and rock and tremble.
> This is the second cause and reason for a great earthquake.
>
> Furthermore, when the being intent on awakening passes away from the
> host of joyful gods, he’s conceived in his mother’s belly, mindful and
> aware. Then the earth shakes and rocks and trembles. This is the third
> cause and reason for a great earthquake.
>
> Furthermore, when the being intent on awakening comes out of his
> mother’s belly mindful and aware, the earth shakes and rocks and
> trembles. This is the fourth cause and reason for a great earthquake.
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> Furthermore, when the Realized One awakens to the supreme perfect
> awakening, the earth shakes and rocks and trembles. This is the fifth
> cause and reason for a great earthquake.
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> Furthermore, when the Realized One rolls forth the supreme Wheel of
> Dhamma, the earth shakes and rocks and trembles. This is the sixth
> cause and reason for a great earthquake.
>
> Furthermore, when the Realized One, mindful and aware, surrenders the
> life force, the earth shakes and rocks and trembles. This is the
> seventh cause and reason for a great earthquake.
>
> Furthermore, when the Realized One becomes fully extinguished in the
> element of extinguishment with no residue, the earth shakes and rocks
> and trembles. This is the eighth cause and reason for a great
> earthquake.
>
> These are the eight causes and reasons for a great earthquake.”
Seven of these eight causes are clearly supernatural (e.g., divine beings, psychic powers, events related to a Buddha) while the first and the only natural explanation of earth resting on water stirred by cosmic winds being the cause of earthquakes does not align with what we understand today as the geological and entirely naturalistic explanation of earthquakes.
My question is:-
How do Buddhists, especially those who identify with traditional or orthodox readings of the suttas understand these earthquake causes today?
Do they:-
- Reject the modern scientific understanding of earthquakes and accept the sutta’s description literally?
- Interpret these causes allegorically or symbolically? If so, how?
I’m curious how different Buddhist traditions (Theravāda, Mahāyāna, etc.) approach this apparent conflict between scripture and modern scientific understanding.
user31982
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What role does the Abhidhamma play in Buddhist hermeneutics?
I often see the Abhidhamma referenced as a framework for interpreting the teachings of the suttas. However, opinions vary widely: some say it is essential for proper interpretation, while others argue that it is a later analytical system not required for understanding the early discourses. How exact...
I often see the Abhidhamma referenced as a framework for interpreting the teachings of the suttas.
However, opinions vary widely: some say it is essential for proper interpretation, while others argue that it is a later analytical system not required for understanding the early discourses.
How exactly does the Abhidhamma function within Buddhist hermeneutics? Do canonical or commentarial texts explicitly state how the Abhidhamma should be used to interpret other teachings? And if yes How do traditional commentaries justify its authority?
Furthermore Are there examples where Abhidhamma exegesis diverges from sutta usage? If so How do scholarly commentators resolve such differences?
user31982
Dec 6, 2025, 05:17 PM
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Have any advanced practitioners reported direct realization of the “dimension” described in Udāna 8.1?
[Udāna 8.1][1] describes what appears to be a radically transcendent “dimension” — one beyond the elements, the formless attainments, and even beyond movement, time, and dualistic perception. It is characterized entirely by negation, culminating in the phrase: "just this is the end of stress/sufferi...
Udāna 8.1 describes what appears to be a radically transcendent “dimension” — one beyond the elements, the formless attainments, and even beyond movement, time, and dualistic perception. It is characterized entirely by negation, culminating in the phrase: "just this is the end of stress/suffering."-
> There is that dimension where there is neither earth, nor water, nor
> fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of space, nor
> dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension of
> nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor non-perception;
> neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor moon. And there,
> I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor staying; neither
> passing away nor arising: unestablished, unevolving, without support
> (mental object). This, just this, is the end of stress.
Have any advanced practitioners, past or present, claimed to have directly realized this dimension? If so:
- How was the realization described? Was it marked by total cessation, a kind of knowing without content, or something altogether ineffable?
- Was there awareness during the experience? Or did it resemble the cessation of perception and feeling (nirodha-samāpatti), with no consciousness during and only retrospective insight after?
- How was the transition into and out of this dimension understood? Did it feel like a gradual absorption, a sudden drop, or a shift beyond all experience?
- Did practitioners interpret it as a momentary event or as the uncovering of a timeless truth? In other words, is this dimension entered, or is it recognized as always already the case?
- What changed after the experience? Were there shifts in perception, identity, or sense of reality that aligned with the description of “no coming, no going” and “no this world or another world”?
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I understand that language may fall short in describing such a realization, but I’m curious whether any teachings or testimonies exist that give practical or phenomenological insight into what this “dimension” might entail — and whether realization is framed as a momentary insight or an ongoing mode of liberation.
user30831
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Has Mahayana Buddhism ever rejected casteism?
I have read some early Buddhism sutras where the Buddha says birth doesn't make one noble, conduct does. Is there any sutra in Mahayana Buddhism that explicitly rejected "noble" status just by birth? Or at least rebuking casteism? I have found verses that conform to the caste based society like for...
I have read some early Buddhism sutras where the Buddha says birth doesn't make one noble, conduct does. Is there any sutra in Mahayana Buddhism that explicitly rejected "noble" status just by birth? Or at least rebuking casteism?
I have found verses that conform to the caste based society like for example Lalitavistara Sutra that says Bodhisattvas are only born in upper two castes (Priest and Warriors). It does not say a person who rises to become a king, no, he should be from a "royal lineage" (caste).
I have found no which eases the caste tension.
Vedant Singh
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Nov 5, 2025, 10:28 AM
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Which sūtras about cosmology are being referenced?
The wikipedia page for [Buddhist Cosmology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology#Origins) has a section titled "Origins" in which the following sentence occurs: >No single sūtra sets out the entire structure of the universe, but in several sūtras the Buddha describes other worlds and sta...
The wikipedia page for [Buddhist Cosmology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_cosmology#Origins) has a section titled "Origins" in which the following sentence occurs:
>No single sūtra sets out the entire structure of the universe, but in several sūtras the Buddha describes other worlds and states of being, and other sūtras describe the origin and destruction of the universe.
I am interested in reading these sūtras, in which the Buddha describes other worlds and states of being, but I am not sure what they are. Does anyone know what sūtras the author of the article is referring to?
Obedear
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Apr 26, 2023, 09:11 PM
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How do different Buddhist traditions view scriptural authority regarding supranormal phenomena?
Buddhist scriptures describe numerous supranormal phenomena such as the existence of devas (gods), multiple cosmological realms such as heaven and hell, and the continuity of consciousness or reincarnation that are inaccessible to ordinary sensory perception and cannot be established through convent...
Buddhist scriptures describe numerous supranormal phenomena such as the existence of devas (gods), multiple cosmological realms such as heaven and hell, and the continuity of consciousness or reincarnation that are inaccessible to ordinary sensory perception and cannot be established through conventional inference.
This raises a question about the nature of scriptural authority across Buddhist traditions. Do schools such as Theravāda, Mahāyāna, or Vajrayāna treat scripture or scriptural revelations as independent, authoritative proof of such phenomena, in a manner analogous to how śruti functions in Hindu Vedānta, where the text itself serves as an epistemic source? Or are these teachings primarily seen only as guiding principles for ethical conduct, meditative practice, and direct experiential verification, rather than as conclusive evidence of supranormal realities?
References to classical texts, commentaries, or doctrinal discussions that clarify whether the status of scriptural proof in Buddhism is regarded as epistemically authoritative for realities beyond perception and inference would be especially illuminating.
user31584
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Can turning to scripture for guidance and answer be counter to Dhamma?
I find it reassuring to be able to turn to the pali suttas for answers. I happened across comments by users that disparage against turning to the suttas for answers, one describing how it makes one come off as "Buddha's teacher's pet". Some amount of ego-hurt, but also genuine curiousity, makes me q...
I find it reassuring to be able to turn to the pali suttas for answers.
I happened across comments by users that disparage against turning to the suttas for answers, one describing how it makes one come off as "Buddha's teacher's pet".
Some amount of ego-hurt, but also genuine curiousity, makes me question if turning to the suttas for advice and certainty could be counter to reaching attainments.
Would appreciate any perspective.
reign
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Oct 15, 2025, 06:42 PM
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Does the Buddha talk about focusing on breath outside meditation?
I currently try to get better at returning focus and attention from thoughts to breathe. I do this in daily life. I would appreciate if there were suttas on focusing on breathe in daily life outside meditation. I would see it as encouragement. I know that the Buddha focuses a lot on craving and ill...
I currently try to get better at returning focus and attention from thoughts to breathe.
I do this in daily life.
I would appreciate if there were suttas on focusing on breathe in daily life outside meditation. I would see it as encouragement.
I know that the Buddha focuses a lot on craving and ill wishes and cruel thoughts. These things helped me a lot, they help to return to breathe. Then there is a sort of lightness, as opposed to the heaviness of suffering.
I identify a shifting of focus from thoughts to breath as a victory of having applied Buddha's teaching. Unfortunately, I don't have clear wording of the Buddha that this is a sign of cessation on suffering.
I'm like a son that needs validation.
Are there suttas that talk about breath, as opposed to just talking about contemplating on thoughts?
Gondola Spärde
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Oct 6, 2025, 04:52 PM
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Does the Buddha address varied predispositions toward suffering among different individuals?
Does the Buddha acknowledge that some people, without the Dharma, suffer more than other people, without the Dharma? I remember a monk talking about how it's a fact that some people are more skilled, better looking, more innately peaceful than others, and that especially those lacking in material at...
Does the Buddha acknowledge that some people, without the Dharma, suffer more than other people, without the Dharma?
I remember a monk talking about how it's a fact that some people are more skilled, better looking, more innately peaceful than others, and that especially those lacking in material attributes should seek to transcend their suffering.
I wonder if there's a basis for this opinion in the suttas.
Gondola Spärde
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Questions on The Eight kinds of emancipations as described in the suttas
While reading through the Buddhist suttas, I came across the detailed descriptions of the eight emancipations. These passages were deeply intriguing, but they also gave rise to some questions in my mind which I decided to ask before which let me cite the concerned passages - > “Ānanda, there are the...
While reading through the Buddhist suttas, I came across the detailed descriptions of the eight emancipations. These passages were deeply intriguing, but they also gave rise to some questions in my mind which I decided to ask before which let me cite the concerned passages -
> “Ānanda, there are these eight emancipations. Which eight?
>
> “**Possessed of form, one sees forms.** This is the first
> emancipation.
>
> “**Not percipient of form internally, one sees forms externally.**
> This is the second emancipation.
>
> “**One is intent only on the beautiful.** This is the third
> emancipation.
>
> “**With the complete transcending of perceptions of (physical) form,
> with the disappearance of perceptions of resistance, and not heeding
> perceptions of multiplicity, (perceiving,) ‘Infinite space,’ one
> enters and remains in the dimension of the infinitude of space**. This
> is the fourth emancipation.
>
> **“With the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of space, (perceiving,) ‘Infinite consciousness,’ one enters and
> remains in the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness.** This is
> the fifth emancipation.
>
> **“With the complete transcending of the dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, (perceiving,) ‘There is nothing,’ one enters and
> remains in the dimension of nothingness.** This is the sixth
> emancipation.
>
> **“With the complete transcending of the dimension of nothingness, one enters and remains in the dimension of neither perception nor
> non-perception.** This is the seventh emancipation.
>
> **“With the complete transcending of the dimension of neither perception nor non-perception, one enters and remains in the cessation
> of perception and feeling.** This is the eighth emancipation.
>
> “**Now, when a monk attains these eight emancipations in forward
> order, in reverse order, in forward and reverse order**, when he
> attains them and emerges from them wherever he wants, however he
> wants, and for as long as he wants, when through the ending of
> effluents he enters and remains in the effluent-free release of
> awareness and release of discernment, having directly known it and
> realized it for himself in the here and now, **he is said to be a monk
> released in both ways. And as for another release in both ways, higher
> or more sublime than this, there is none.”**
~ DN 15
Questions-
1. Why is “nothingness” (6th) distinguished from “neither perception nor non-perception” (7th), given that both involve retreating from mental activity? Or from the 8th which involves total cessation of perception and feeling?
2. What kind of experience is “neither perception nor non-perception”? Is it a liminal state — and if so, how does one know they have entered it? Can a mind in this state be said to ‘experience’ anything at all?
3. In discussions with scholars from eternalist backgrounds, such as vedanta a common challenge raised is that the Buddhist teachings on the eight emancipations seem to imply the existence of a continuous or eternal subject since someone appears to be progressing through these subtle states of consciousness. If there is no eternal soul or self in Buddhism, then who is it that experiences and moves through these emancipations? How would a Buddhist respond to this objection?
4. What is the significance of being able to enter and exit these states at will, as emphasized in the sutta?
5. Is the progression through these states ultimately teaching that liberation is not something to be gained, but everything to be let go including perception, feeling, identity, and knowing?
Sunyavadi
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In which suttas does The Buddha cover annihilationism (ucchedavāda)?
Given what I assume was the predominant view of the time, I would not be surprised if there are many Suttas that deal explicitly with resurrection (as opposed to rebirth which seems to be a more recent word used to delineate the concept), but I am interested in finding out in which sutras did Buddha...
Given what I assume was the predominant view of the time, I would not be surprised if there are many Suttas that deal explicitly with resurrection (as opposed to rebirth which seems to be a more recent word used to delineate the concept), but I am interested in finding out in which sutras did Buddha Shakyamuni deal explicitly with annihilationism (ucchedavāda) which, as I understand it, is the position of the dissolution of the self after death (of which materialism would be a subset).
I am aware of the following Suttas:
- Brahmajāla-sutta -- which covers a large array of positions of
wrong arguments against annhilationism, but doesn't seem to go into
too much detail on how it is a wrong view.
- Alagaddūpama-sutta --
in which The Buddha instructs on how to defend his position from
being confused with annihilationism.
- Pālileyya-sutta -- not sure exactly how to interpret this, but it
seems to be about assuaging the fear of annihilation.
- Achela Kassapa-sutta -- where the Buddha states the middle way
between eternalism and annihilationism.
- Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta -- where The Buddha separates his view from
all conventional views.
- Kalama Sutta -- where The Buddha explains the benefits of the path
even if there is nothing after death.
Are there any glaring misconceptions here?
Are there any other Suttas dealing with this topic?
Edgar Brown
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How do I interpret the term "realm" and "concluding in this realm" in AN 10.63?
How do I interpret the term "realm" ([*idha*][1]) in [AN 10.63][3]? It says one who has "seven rebirths at most" will conclude their path in "this realm". So, what is "this realm"? And what does this mean? Meanwhile "one who is extinguished between one life and the next" will conclude their path aft...
How do I interpret the term "realm" (*idha* ) in AN 10.63 ?
It says one who has "seven rebirths at most" will conclude their path in "this realm". So, what is "this realm"? And what does this mean?
Meanwhile "one who is extinguished between one life and the next" will conclude their path after "leaving this realm behind" (*idha vihāya *). What does this mean?
> “Mendicants, all those who have come to a conclusion about me are
> accomplished in view. Of those who are accomplished in view, five
> conclude their path in this realm, and five conclude their path after
> leaving this realm behind.
>
> Which five conclude their path in this realm?
>
> The one who has seven rebirths at most, the one who goes from family
> to family, the one-seeder, the once returner, and the one who is
> perfected in this very life. These five conclude their path in this
> realm.
>
> Which five conclude their path after leaving this realm behind?
>
> The one who is extinguished between one life and the next, the one who
> is extinguished upon landing, the one who is extinguished without
> extra effort, the one who is extinguished with extra effort, and the
> one who heads upstream, going to the Akaniṭṭha realm. These five
> conclude their path after leaving this realm behind.
>
> All those who have come to a conclusion about me are accomplished in
> view. Of those who are accomplished in view, these five conclude their
> path in this realm, and these five conclude their path after leaving
> this realm behind.”
> AN 10.63 (translated by Ven. Sujato)
ruben2020
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The Buddha's wording of "removing thoughts" and modern psychology's advice not to suppress anything
In the west it's more or less common knowledge that when you try to suppress something, it arises stronger. For example, [in this Psychology Today article][1], it is written: > This effect was shown with the classic “white bear” study. In the > study, people were told not to think of a white bear. S...
In the west it's more or less common knowledge that when you try to suppress something, it arises stronger.
For example, in this Psychology Today article , it is written:
> This effect was shown with the classic “white bear” study. In the
> study, people were told not to think of a white bear. Simply being
> told not to think about a white bear—to suppress these thoughts—led
> these people to think of white bears far more frequently (Wegner,
> Schneider, Carter, & White, 1987). This research helped us see that
> suppression is an ineffective way to decrease negative emotions.
Even in buddhist circles, it's often said that walls shouldn't be built internally, referring to the cognitive behavior of shunning certain aspects of ourselves.
Yet, in Suttas like mn19 , the Buddha says:
> Whenever a thought of sensual desire arose in me, I abandoned it,
> removed it, did away with it.
How to reconcile?
reign
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Does MN 19 apply also to emotions?
In [MN 19][1], the Buddha advises us to contemplate on whether thoughts cause harm. > I understood thus: ‘This thought of sensual desire has arisen in me. > This leads to my own affliction, to others’ affliction, and to the > affliction of both; it obstructs wisdom, causes difficulties, and > leads...
In MN 19 , the Buddha advises us to contemplate on whether thoughts cause harm.
> I understood thus: ‘This thought of sensual desire has arisen in me.
> This leads to my own affliction, to others’ affliction, and to the
> affliction of both; it obstructs wisdom, causes difficulties, and
> leads away from Nibbāna.’ When I considered: ‘This leads to my own
> affliction,’ it subsided in me;
Does this also apply to emotions like fear or anger (non-thought mental formations)?
Example: This emotion has arisen in me. This leads to my own affliction [...]
Would appreciate relevant Suttas.
reign
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