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Did Lot have only 2 daughters?
I cannot interpret ancient Hebrew, and so this is a question about the translation of Genesis 19, and what fits most consistently with the original texts. There are 2 'clues' from the text in Genesis 19 that may suggest Lot had more than 2 daughters/children. 1. In verse 14, Lot went and spoke to hi...
I cannot interpret ancient Hebrew, and so this is a question about the translation of Genesis 19, and what fits most consistently with the original texts. There are 2 'clues' from the text in Genesis 19 that may suggest Lot had more than 2 daughters/children. 1. In verse 14, Lot went and spoke to his sons-in-law, 'who had married his daughters' and encouraged them to flee from the city, which seems to contrast his words to the crowd in verse 8, 'I have two daughters who have not known a man'. 2. In verse 15, the angels speak to Lot saying, 'Arise, take your wife and your two daughters *who are here*' [my emphasis], which suggests that there are some who are not there. It also draws to mind the charge to Rahab in Joshua 2, that her family would not be protected just because they were her family, but only if they were physically in her house (Joshua 2:17-18) The problem I am facing is that translations aren't consistent. The more modern translations (NIV, AMP, ESV) translate verse 14 as men 'who were betrothed/promised to' Lot's daughters (although the NIV does have the alternative 'married to' as an editorial note), and the 'who are here' from the angels in verse 15 *could* just be identifying the fact that the sons-in-law didn't turn up. I would appreciate someone who is able to unpack the original texts to provide some wisdom here, if it can be made clearer. Thanks and God bless
Birdbrain (86 rep)
Aug 13, 2024, 03:55 PM • Last activity: Aug 13, 2024, 06:13 PM
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Lot's virgin daughters had husbands?
According to Genesis 19:7-8 (NASB), Lot offered his virgin daughters to the men of the city so they would not sodomize the visiting angels: > 7 “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. 8 Now behold, I have two > daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring > them out to you,...
According to Genesis 19:7-8 (NASB), Lot offered his virgin daughters to the men of the city so they would not sodomize the visiting angels: > 7 “Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly. 8 Now behold, I have two > daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring > them out to you, and do to them whatever you like..." However, Genesis 19:14 (NASB) implies they either had husbands or were pledged to husbands: > "Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his > daughters..." **Am I missing something?**
mrscjr (87 rep)
May 28, 2015, 03:39 PM • Last activity: Mar 31, 2023, 08:53 PM
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Why did Lot's wife look back?
> [**Genesis 19:15–26 (ESV)**](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:15-26&version=ESV) > > 15 As morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Up! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be swept away in the punishment of the city.” 16 But he lingered. So th...
> [**Genesis 19:15–26 (ESV)**](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:15-26&version=ESV) > > 15 As morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Up! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be swept away in the punishment of the city.” 16 But he lingered. So the men seized him and his wife and his two daughters by the hand, A)">the Lord being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city. **17 And as they brought them out, one said, “Escape for your life. B)">Do not look back or stop anywhere in the C)">valley. Escape to the hills, lest you be swept away.”** 18 And Lot said to them, “Oh, no, my lords. 19 Behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have shown me great kindness in saving my life. But I cannot escape to the hills, lest the disaster overtake me and I die. 20 Behold, this city is near enough to flee to, and it is a little one. Let me escape there—is it not a little one?—and my life will be saved!” 21 He said to him, “Behold, I grant you this favor also, that I will not overthrow the city of which you have spoken. 22 Escape there quickly, for I can do nothing till you arrive there.” Therefore the name of the city was called D)">Zoar. > >

God Destroys Sodom

> > 23 The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar. 24 Then E)">the Lord rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord out of heaven. 25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. **26 But Lot's wife, behind him, looked back, and she became F)">a pillar of salt.** The text doesn't answer or indicate why Lot's wife looked back, and Googling the question doesn't really turn up very much that's useful. Is there anything in the doctrines of Protestant denominations (the closer to Wesleyan, the better) that explains why Lot's wife looked back?
El'endia Starman (12529 rep)
Oct 8, 2012, 09:57 AM • Last activity: Jan 30, 2022, 04:42 PM
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Did Lot's daughters rape Lot?
I read this [horrifying article][1] that sounds like victim blaming. I think this is like how rape victims are told they got raped because of they way they dressed, of where or when they went or, like Lot, they had too much to drink. The article says > Why did Lot have sex with his own daughters? He...
I read this horrifying article that sounds like victim blaming. I think this is like how rape victims are told they got raped because of they way they dressed, of where or when they went or, like Lot, they had too much to drink. The article says > Why did Lot have sex with his own daughters? He got drunk. Yes, his daughters conspired to get him drunk, but Lot willingly drank and, when he was drunk, he lost what little control and common sense he had. I really don't see how this is different from telling rape victims, "Hey it's your fault you drank too much." Sure drinking too much isn't an excuse for DUIs, but drinking too much is definitely not a reason for getting raped and definitely a reason that you did not (consent to) have sex. Of course I'm assuming that they indeed raped him, but my assumption is based on their talking to each other and not Lot about the, well, transaction. > Let’s get our father to drink wine. and not > Let’s ask our father about having incestuous sex. An NCBI abstract seems to say that the Bible (Hebrew or Christian or both, not sure) implies that this is the case but excuses the daughters. I believe their intent was clear: They intended to do this without consulting Lot. I wouldn't say this is textbook manipulation, whether or not it is actually manipulation, but the intent is to do something without consulting the other person: I would say that's textbook malice or at least interventionism or something. What's more horrifying is that it's the elder sister who corrupts the younger sister into doing such. Anyway, on Wikipedia it says > A number of commentators describe the actions of Lot's daughters as rape. Esther Fuchs suggests that the text presents Lot's daughters as the "initiators and perpetrators of the incestuous 'rape'." I'm surprised this is only a number of commentators and not the entire Judeo-Christian theological community. Then again I suppose consensuses are difficult to reach outside natural and formal science. Still, I hope at least one denomination (Orthodox, Catholicism, etc) of at least one religion (Judaism, Christianity, not sure Islam has Lot's daughters, etc) has some consensus. The question: What is the Christian theological community's official opinion on whether or not Lot was raped by his daughters? In case I need to specify a denomination, I pick Catholicism. If allowed for the site for this question, then I prefer to not choose a denomination.
BCLC (474 rep)
Apr 13, 2019, 05:58 PM • Last activity: May 23, 2021, 07:54 PM
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Why was Lot "let off the hook" for offering his daughters to be raped?
[Genesis 19:1-20](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:1-29&version=NIV) tells the famous story of Soddom and Gomorrah. In the story, the men of Sodom come to Lot's house, and demand that Lot release his visitors to be raped by the men of the town. Lot refuses, and instead offers...
[Genesis 19:1-20](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019:1-29&version=NIV) tells the famous story of Soddom and Gomorrah. In the story, the men of Sodom come to Lot's house, and demand that Lot release his visitors to be raped by the men of the town. Lot refuses, and instead offers his virgin daughters (verse 8) to appease the crowd. Nothing else is ever mentioned about Lot offering his daughters to be gang-raped by a crowd of men. In light of this, why is Lot considered "righteous?" (See [2 Peter 2:7](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Peter%202:7&version=NIV)) Can we draw any other conclusions from Lot's actions here? I guess I don't really know what question to ask... I'm just kind of dumb-struck by the situation... What in the world?
Flimzy (22318 rep)
Sep 12, 2011, 05:26 PM • Last activity: Dec 21, 2019, 02:51 PM
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Why did Lot's daughters seduce their father?
According to the Genesis [19:30-38][1], when *Lot* escaped out of *Zoar*, he went up to the mountains and settled in a cave. While in there, his daughters seduced him while he was drunk so that they could bear children and save their family line. Does this mean saving one's family line is/was so imp...
According to the Genesis 19:30-38 , when *Lot* escaped out of *Zoar*, he went up to the mountains and settled in a cave. While in there, his daughters seduced him while he was drunk so that they could bear children and save their family line. Does this mean saving one's family line is/was so important that you could have sex with your own offspring? Was Lot really drunk to a point that he didn't know what he was doing? Were the daughters wrong to do it? If so, why didn't Lot take any action afterward?
Noah (173 rep)
Oct 8, 2012, 08:37 AM • Last activity: Sep 29, 2015, 05:01 PM
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Are there other biblical examples of people turning into pillars of salt?
Are there more instances, in the Bible, of people turning into pillars of salt ([Gen. 19:26](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.+19%3A26&version=ESV)) and does it have a specific meaning?
Are there more instances, in the Bible, of people turning into pillars of salt ([Gen. 19:26](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Gen.+19%3A26&version=ESV)) and does it have a specific meaning?
Jacob Jan (149 rep)
Oct 6, 2013, 05:35 PM • Last activity: Sep 25, 2015, 06:48 PM
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