Sample Header Ad - 728x90

How does your denomination refute the various claims that God is a liar?

2 votes
3 answers
214 views
A recent question asked for a natural theology answer to this question. I am however more interested in a denominational answer with the valid reasoning, theology, doctrine, etc. of that denomination. During my research to answer the question I found some specific arguments for the case that "God lied" I'm interested in Eastern-Orthodox, Catholic, Angelcan, Any Protestant denomination, as well as any other denominations such as Jehovah's witness, Mormons, and the many others I am unaware of. Please clearly state which denominational opinion you are refuting from, if that denomination uses more than Scripture as a valid source of information please state that fact clearly. For example: "From the position of the Eastern Orthodox church, we use sources of scripture, the writings of saints, the apocryphal texts, as well as the church tradition as valid sources..." --- #### Example 1 - 1 Kings 22:19-23 (NKJV) > 19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘**I will go out and be a lying spirit** in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘**You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.**’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.” This is also found in 2 Chronicles 18:18-23 as well The basic argument here is the same as the legal argument of "Call to action" makes the person who commanded or asked for a crime to be committed guilty of the crime. --- #### Example 2 - 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 combined with 2 Peter 3:9 > And for this reason God will **send them strong delusion**, that they should believe the lie, that **they all may be condemned** who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. > The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, **not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance**. Strong delusion implies that God is messing around with free will as well as this seems to contradict the other scripture. --- #### Example 3 - Genesis 2:17 and Genesis 5:5 Similar but not exactly the same as this other question > but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for **in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.**” >So all the days that Adam lived were **nine hundred and thirty years; and he died.** --- #### Example 4 - Jewish scholar Yael Shemesh - Genesis 18:12-13 >"In one case we even find God twisting the truth in order to preserve amicable relations between Abraham and Sarah and to prevent Abraham’s feelings from being hurt. Upon overhearing the prediction that she was about to become pregnant, Sarah laughs, “Now that I am withered, am I to have enjoyment—with my husband so old?” (Gen. 18:12); God, however, quotes her in Abraham’s hearing as having said, “Shall I in truth bear a child, old as I am?” (Gen. 18:13), making no reference to Abraham’s inadequacy. This episode was used by the Sages of the Talmud as a proof-text showing that it is permitted to deviate from the strict line of truth in order to establish peace (BT Yeb. 65b; BT B.M. 87a)." (Yael Shemesh, Lies by Prophets and Other Lies in the Hebrew Bible, 2. Lies in the Bible (paper|Bar-Ilan University), p. 4.) --- If it is too vague, I can divide the question into 7 specific ones that are each denomination specific.
Asked by Wyrsa (8713 rep)
Nov 25, 2024, 11:51 AM
Last activity: Dec 4, 2024, 11:29 AM