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Contradictions on limitations of looking and touching slave women during slave market inspection

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> أخرجه أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة في المصنف ت الشثري (ج11/ص310) حدثنا علي بن > مسهر عن عبيد الله عن نافع عن ابن عمر أنه كان إذا أراد أن يشتري الجارية > وضع يده على أليتيها وبين فخذيها وربما كشف عن ساقيها. وهذا إسناد صحيح > > > > > It was narrated by Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Shaybah in Al-Musannaf, edited by > Al-Shathri (vol. 11, p. 310): Ali Ibn Musher narrated to us from > Ubaidullah from Nafi' from Ibn Umar that when he wanted to buy a > female slave, he would place his hand on her buttocks and between her > thighs, and sometimes uncover her legs. And this is a sound chain of > narration. > >Islamink > عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، > > ١٣٢٠٨ - عَنِ ابْنِ جُرَيْجٍ قَالَ: أَخْبَرَنِي مَنْ أُصَدِّقُ عَمَّنْ، > سَمِعَ عَلِيًّا، يَسْأَلُ عَنِ الْأَمَةِ تُبَاعُ أَيَنْظُرُ إِلَى > سَاقِهَا، وَعَجُزِهَا، وَإِلَى بَطْنِهَا؟. قَالَ: «لَا بَأَسَ > بِذَلِكَ، لَا حُرْمَةَ لَهَا، إِنَّمَا وَقَفَتْ لِنُسَاوِمَهَا» > > Abdul Razzaq, > >13208 - From Ibn Jurayj, he said: "A trustworthy person told me from whom I trust, that he heard Ali asking about a female slave being sold, whether one should look at her leg, her buttocks, and her belly?" He said: "There is no harm in that, she has no sanctity, she is only standing for us to negotiate her price." > >Shamela My Question is as follows: I have seen that many scholars limit looking and touching slave women in the markets based on their defined awrah (navel to knee which is impermissible to inspect). But in the above narrations, we can see Ibn Umar (r.a) touching buttocks (over clothes) and touching between thighs but both of those areas fall between navel and knee. Also what does between thighs refer to? Vagina? Also Ali (r.a) is saying it's permissible to look at the buttocks. We also see in another narration below that a Companion of the prophet said it's not permissible to look at between navel and knee. > صح عن أبي موسى الأشعري أنه قال ألا لا أعرفن أحداً أراد أن يشتري جارية فينظر إلى ما فوق الركبة أو دون السرة لا يفعل ذلك أحد إلا عاقبته > > It was authentically reported on the authority of Abu Musa al-Ash’ari that he said: “I do not know anyone who wants to buy a female slave and looks above the knee or below the navel. No one should do that except that I will punish him.” > > Islamink I see in places where Islam restricts slave women inspections to navel and knee then isn't what i stated at the beginning contradicting? > وتبقى ميزة الإسلام في تقييد ذلك بحدود العورة, وأمن الفتنة, وغير ذلك من > الضوابط، على خلاف ما كان معمولًا به في الدنيا بأسرها من إطلاق ذلك > تمامًا. ومن وراء هذا كله يأتي حث الشريعة وترغيبها في عتق الرقيق، > والإحسان إليهم. > > And the distinctive feature of Islam remains in restricting that > within the limits of modesty, ensuring the prevention of temptation, > and other regulations, contrary to what was practiced in the entire > world by allowing it completely. And beyond all this comes the > encouragement and urging of Sharia to emancipate slaves and to treat > them kindly. > > Islamway Would like some explanation on this. Thanks.
Asked by Waheed Ahmed (43 rep)
Nov 15, 2024, 12:21 PM
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