How would a buddhist respond to the following Vedantic responses to the Buddhist critique of the atman?
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The following are some arguments I came across from Advaita vedantists in some online forums against the buddhist view of the self. I am curious as to how Buddhists well versed into the philosophy would respond to them.
**Buddhist Perspective on Self**
> The Buddhist denial of Self is based on a misunderstanding of what
> Advaita means by Atman. Atman is not a separate, individual entity but
> the very essence of consciousness itself. The Buddha’s teaching of
> No-Self (Anatta) was primarily aimed at refuting the notion of a
> permanent, unchanging individual self, which Advaita also rejects.
>
> Advaita agrees that there is no permanent individual self, but asserts
> that there is an underlying, unchanging consciousness (Brahman/Atman)
> that is the substrate of all experience. This consciousness is not
> separate from the world but is its very essence.
>
> The Mandukya Upanishad and Gaudapada’s Karika demonstrate that waking,
> dream, and deep sleep states all require a conscious witness that
> persists through all states. This witness-consciousness is what
> Advaita refers to as Atman.
**Arguments Against Atman**
> The Buddhist argument that the Self is a mental abstraction fails to
> recognize the self-evident nature of consciousness. As Shankara points
> out in his commentary on the Brahma Sutras, the existence of the Self
> is self-evident and cannot be denied, for it is the very basis of all
> denial.
>
> The Buddha’s reluctance to explicitly state “There is no self” can be
> seen as an acknowledgment of the problematic nature of such a
> statement. If there truly is no self, who is it that realizes this
> truth? Who attains Nirvana?
>
> Advaita agrees that the idea of an individual, separate self leads to
> suffering. However, it posits that the solution is not to deny the
> Self altogether, but to realize one’s true nature as the universal
> Self (Brahman).
>
> The Buddhist critique of “me” and “mine” is valid for the ego-self,
> but not for the universal Self of Advaita. Realizing one’s true nature
> as Brahman leads not to selfishness, but to universal love and
> compassion, as seen in the lives of great Advaita sages.
**Conditioned Genesis and Dependent Origination**
> Advaita acknowledges the validity of Dependent Origination at the
> empirical level (vyavaharika satya). However, it points out that the
> very recognition of this interdependence requires a consciousness that
> is not itself part of the causal chain.
>
> The 12-factor formula of paticca-samuppada is a brilliant analysis of
> the cycle of samsara. However, Advaita asks: Who is aware of this
> cycle? The awareness of the cycle cannot itself be part of the cycle.
>
> The Buddha’s rejection of soul-theories is understood in Advaita as a
> rejection of limited concepts of self, not of consciousness itself.
> The “correct approach” described in Buddhism of seeing things
> objectively without mental projections is precisely what leads to the
> Advaitic realization of non-dual awareness.
>
> In conclusion, while Buddhism provides valuable insights into the
> nature of reality, Advaita Vedanta offers a more comprehensive
> framework that accounts for both the changing phenomena and the
> unchanging awareness that is their substrate. It is this unchanging,
> ever-present consciousness that we call Brahman or Atman, the
> realization of which leads to true and lasting freedom.
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