Where/how do Snp 5.7 & 15 prove kāya in meditation context is rūpa-kāya by default?
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I read the following in [this answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/49852/254) :
> Snp 5 is a great example in usage that proves kāya in meditation
> context is rūpa-kāya by default.
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> https://notesonthedhamma.blogspot.com/2021/10/kn-snp-5-buddha-knew-about-ambiguities.html
[Snp 5.7](https://suttacentral.net/snp5.7/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=linebyline&reference=none¬es=none&highlight=false&script=latin) says, per Sujato translation:
> “As a flame tossed by a gust of wind,”
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> “Accī yathā vātavegena khittā,
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> replied the Buddha,
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> (upasīvāti bhagavā)
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> “comes to an end beyond reckoning;
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> Atthaṁ paleti na upeti saṅkhaṁ;
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> so too, a sage freed from mental **phenomena**
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> Evaṁ munī nāma**kāyā** vimutto,
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> comes to an end beyond reckoning.”
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> Atthaṁ paleti na upeti saṅkhaṁ”.
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> I ask the Sakyan about knowledge for them;
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> Ñāṇaṁ sakkānupucchāmi,
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> how should one like that be guided?”
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> kathaṁ neyyo tathāvidho”.
[Snp 5.15](https://suttacentral.net/snp5.15/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=linebyline&reference=none¬es=none&highlight=false&script=latin) says, per Sujato translation:
> said Venerable Posāla [to the Buddha],
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>(iccāyasmā posālo)
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>Consider one who perceives the disappearance of **form**,
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> Vibhūta**rūpa**saññissa,
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> who has entirely given up **the body**,
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> sabba**kāya**ppahāyino;
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> and who **sees nothing** at all
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> Ajjhattañca bahiddhā ca,
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> internally and externally.
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> **natthi** kiñcīti **passato**;
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>.........
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>“Viññāṇaṭṭhitiyo sabbā,
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>said the Buddha,
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>(posālāti bhagavā)
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> “all the planes of consciousness.
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> Abhijānaṁ tathāgato;
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> And he knows this one who remains,
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> Tiṭṭhantamenaṁ jānāti,
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> committed to that as their final goal.
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> Vimuttaṁ tapparāyaṇaṁ.
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> Understanding that desire for rebirth [**coming to be**]
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> **Ākiñcaññasambhavaṁ** ñatvā,
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> **in the dimension of nothingness** is a fetter,
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> Nandī saṁyojanaṁ iti;
Where/how do Snp 5.7 & 15 prove kāya in meditation context is rūpa-kāya by default?
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Nov 19, 2023, 12:21 PM
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