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Sakkāya-Ditthi and Self-View

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It's mentioned in many references that when someone becomes Sotāpanna (= stream-entrant = Person-who-has-seen-Dharma) then the first three fetters (saŋyojana) are dropped. My question is, if the first fetter which is self-View (sakkāya-ditthi) is dropped, then who is going to be Sakurdagami = Once Return, Anagami = non-returning and Arahant, or how can he focus on the path as his self-view is already dropped by that time. And also when Anagami person is to become Arahant, he is supposed to drop the last three fetters which are conceit (māna), restlessness (uddhacca),ignorance (avijjā). And if someone has already dropped the self-view then how he can drop the conceit (mana) (the eighth fetter) as it's a subset of the self-view. The answers like: "It's partially dropped, etc" are not correct as that's not how it's defined (if not it's mistaken). And there are many places in Tripitaka, that Buddha mentioned as I to refer him self, so does the Buddha still has self-view? And in Khemaka Sutta this is clearly explained that even Anagami person has I am feeling and desire, which is a subset of self-view. > "Friends, even though a noble disciple has abandoned the five lower > fetters, he still has with regard to the five clinging-aggregates a > lingering residual 'I am' conceit, an 'I am' desire, an 'I am' > obsession. But at a later time he keeps focusing on the phenomena of > arising & passing away with regard to the five clinging-aggregates: Do you still believe that Sakkaya Ditti means Self-View ? or is it a mistake?
Asked by Isuru (767 rep)
Jun 13, 2019, 05:56 AM
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