Three translations of Bhikkhu Sujato say:
> But Master Gotama, when a mendicant’s mind is freed like this, where
> are they reborn?
>
> Evaṃ vimuttacitto pana, bho gotama, bhikkhu kuhiṃ upapajjatī ti?
>
> ‘They’re reborn’ doesn’t apply, Vaccha.
>
> “Upapajjatīti kho, vaccha, na upeti”.
>
> Well then, are they not reborn?
>
> Tena hi, bho gotama, na upapajjatī ti?
>
> ‘**They’re not reborn**’ doesn’t apply, Vaccha.
>
> “Na upapajjatīti kho, vaccha, na upeti”.
>
>MN 72
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> Seeing this, a learned noble disciple becomes disillusioned with form,
> feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness.
>
> Evaṃ passaṃ, bhikkhave, sutavā ariyasāvako rūpasmimpi nibbindati,
> vedanāyapi nibbindati, saññāyapi nibbindati, saṅkhāresupi nibbindati,
> viññāṇasmimpi nibbindati.
>
> Being disillusioned they become dispassionate. Being dispassionate
> they’re freed. When freed, they know ‘it is freed’.
>
> Nibbindaṃ virajjati; virāgā vimuccati. Vimuttasmiṃ vimuttamiti ñāṇaṃ
> hoti.
>
> They understand: ‘**Rebirth is ended**, the spiritual journey has been
> completed, what had to be done has been done, there is no return to
> any state of existence.’
>
> ‘Khīṇā jāti, vusitaṃ brahmacariyaṃ, kataṃ karaṇīyaṃ, nāparaṃ
> itthattāyā’ti pajānātī”ti.
>
>SN 22.59
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> **The sage at peace is not reborn**, does not grow old, and does not die.
> They are not shaken, and do not yearn.
>
> Muni kho pana, bhikkhu, santo na jāyati, na jīyati, na mīyati, na
> kuppati, na piheti.
>
> For they have nothing which would cause them to be reborn. Not being
> reborn, how could they grow old? Not growing old, how could they die?
> Not dying, how could they be shaken? Not shaking, for what could they
> yearn?
>
> Tañhissa, bhikkhu, natthi yena jāyetha, ajāyamāno kiṃ jīyissati,
> ajīyamāno kiṃ mīyissati, amīyamāno kiṃ kuppissati, akuppamāno kissa
> pihessati?
>
>MN 140
Why does MN 72 say "not reborn" does not apply to the freed mind (*vimuttacitto*) but SN 22.59 and MN 140 say "rebirth is ended" and the arahant is "not reborn"?
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Sep 26, 2018, 10:33 AM
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