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MN 72 - Why is a freed mind not "not reborn"?

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Three translations of Bhikkhu Sujato say: > But Master Gotama, when a mendicant’s mind is freed like this, where > are they reborn? > > Evaṃ vimuttacitto pana, bho gotama, bhikkhu kuhiṃ upapajjatī ti? > > ‘They’re reborn’ doesn’t apply, Vaccha. > > “Upapajjatīti kho, vaccha, na upeti”. > > Well then, are they not reborn? > > Tena hi, bho gotama, na upapajjatī ti? > > ‘**They’re not reborn**’ doesn’t apply, Vaccha. > > “Na upapajjatīti kho, vaccha, na upeti”. > >MN 72 ___________________________________________ > Seeing this, a learned noble disciple becomes disillusioned with form, > feeling, perception, choices, and consciousness. > > Evaṃ passaṃ, bhikkhave, sutavā ariyasāvako rūpasmimpi nibbindati, > vedanāyapi nibbindati, saññāyapi nibbindati, saṅkhāresupi nibbindati, > viññāṇasmimpi nibbindati. > > Being disillusioned they become dispassionate. Being dispassionate > they’re freed. When freed, they know ‘it is freed’. > > Nibbindaṃ virajjati; virāgā vimuccati. Vimuttasmiṃ vimuttamiti ñāṇaṃ > hoti. > > They understand: ‘**Rebirth is ended**, the spiritual journey has been > completed, what had to be done has been done, there is no return to > any state of existence.’ > > ‘Khīṇā jāti, vusitaṃ brahmacariyaṃ, kataṃ karaṇīyaṃ, nāparaṃ > itthattāyā’ti pajānātī”ti. > >SN 22.59 ____________________________________________________ > **The sage at peace is not reborn**, does not grow old, and does not die. > They are not shaken, and do not yearn. > > Muni kho pana, bhikkhu, santo na jāyati, na jīyati, na mīyati, na > kuppati, na piheti. > > For they have nothing which would cause them to be reborn. Not being > reborn, how could they grow old? Not growing old, how could they die? > Not dying, how could they be shaken? Not shaking, for what could they > yearn? > > Tañhissa, bhikkhu, natthi yena jāyetha, ajāyamāno kiṃ jīyissati, > ajīyamāno kiṃ mīyissati, amīyamāno kiṃ kuppissati, akuppamāno kissa > pihessati? > >MN 140 Why does MN 72 say "not reborn" does not apply to the freed mind (*vimuttacitto*) but SN 22.59 and MN 140 say "rebirth is ended" and the arahant is "not reborn"?
Asked by Paraloka Dhamma Dhatu (47819 rep)
Sep 26, 2018, 10:33 AM
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